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[Solved] Struggling to install a workable Mint and partition properly - help!

Post by robertbuckmaster »

Hi,

I'm a novice. Please be patient with me.

I did my best to install Mint independently, but I'm in a pickle now.

This computer came with Windows 7 and Fedora installed side-by-side. However, I don't need Fedora. It's too slow on this computer (an Aspire one D255E).

I installed Mint 19.3 xfce from a live USB. The installation split the partition with windows. Unfortunately, Mint runs slowly - the cursor is always working fine, but the windows take forever to respond. Also, there is a problem with the monitor displays. I would prefer dual screen. At the moment, the Mint bar is on my tiny laptop, not on the big monitor.

I apparently have three partitions: one for Windows, another for Mint and another for Fedora. This is an accident.

I would like to:

1. Resize the Windows partition to what it was before I shrunk it to install Mint side-by-side;
2. Wipe Fedora and install Mint on the same partition; and
3. Have dual monitors, with the mint bar appearing on my larger external monitor.

My computer is 64 bit and has BIOS.

Not sure what to do from here. Your advice is appreciated.

Thank you.
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Re: Struggling to install a workable Mint and partition properly - help!

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Please post an inxi -Fxz report. This will give us a concise overview of your hardware and on how Mint sees it.

Here is how to generate the report and post it:

Open a terminal window (Ctrl-Alt-t). Make it fullscreen to avoid unneeded linebreaks or chopped lines. Execute the command

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 inxi -Fxzd 
exactly as it has been typed here.

Mark the complete text output which the command will display with your mouse.
Press the keyboard shortcut <Shift><Ctrl>C to copy the marked text into the clipboard.
Enclose the results between the code markers by selecting </> from the mini toolbar above the textbox where you type your reply then paste <Ctrl>V them in your reply between the code markers.

The results will help us to help you.

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BTW - you should always provide the inxi -Fxzd report in your initial post when requesting help.
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for me trying to explain the fundamentals of partitioning is quite hard, only way i learned is youtube videos. and even then i have partitioned windows ME and installed triple booted a few windows installations way before i even knew what linux is.

an inxi report will not make a difference here. if you have fedora all you need to do is replace it with mint what's so hard about it, the partition is already there :? the trick is to get your partitions in order before you try installing.

so in live mode open gparted and partition it.
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robertbuckmaster wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:57 am
I installed Mint 19.3 xfce from a live USB. The installation split the partition with windows. Unfortunately, Mint runs slowly - the cursor is always working fine, but the windows take forever to respond. Also, there is a problem with the monitor displays. I would prefer dual screen. At the moment, the Mint bar is on my tiny laptop, not on the big monitor.
@trytip, the reason I asked for the inxi report is stated in the OP. Without knowing what the system specs and what drivers are loaded, how would you diagnose the problem?


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Re: Struggling to install a workable Mint and partition properly - help!

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Hi,

Thanks for your patience and for telling me about the forum etiquette.

Here is the inxi report (I did this in Fedora because Mint keeps slowing down to a snail's pace).

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System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.14.11-300.fc27.x86_64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.2.1 
           Desktop: Gnome 3.26.2 Distro: Fedora release 27 (Twenty Seven) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Acer product: AOD255E v: V3.15(DDR3) serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Acer model: JE02_PT_E v: V3.15(DDR3) serial: <filter> BIOS: Acer v: 3.15(DDR3) 
           date: 02/15/2011 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 19.8 Wh condition: 19.8/48.8 Wh (41%) model: SANYO AL10B31 status: Full 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Atom N550 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Bonnell rev: A 
           L2 cache: 512 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 bogomips: 11970 
           Speed: 1073 MHz min/max: 1000/1500 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1496 2: 1165 3: 998 4: 998 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Display: wayland server: Fedora Project X.org 1.19.6 driver: i915 
           resolution: 1024x600~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 4.0 128 bits) v: 2.1 Mesa 17.2.4 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.14.11-300.fc27.x86_64 
Network:   Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet driver: atl1c v: 1.0.1.1-NAPI port: 5000 
           bus ID: 01:00.0 
           IF: enp1s0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath9k v: kernel port: 5000 
           bus ID: 02:00.0 
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           IF-ID-1: virbr0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           IF-ID-2: virbr0-nic state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 232.89 GiB used: 13.62 GiB (5.8%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD2500BEVT-22A23T0 size: 232.89 GiB 
           Message: No Optical or Floppy data was found. 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 47.45 GiB used: 12.90 GiB (27.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-2 
           ID-2: /boot size: 975.9 MiB used: 225.4 MiB (23.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6 
           ID-3: /home size: 23.16 GiB used: 159.9 MiB (0.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1 
           ID-4: swap-1 size: 2.07 GiB used: 353.0 MiB (16.7%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 68.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:      Processes: 241 Uptime: 24m Memory: 1.94 GiB used: 1.47 GiB (75.8%) Init: systemd runlevel: 5 
           Compilers: gcc: 7.2.1 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.26

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Re: Struggling to install a workable Mint and partition properly - help!

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Got it! Enter the following in a terminal:

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lsblk -f
And copy/paste the results in a CODE box. This will give a better view of your disk arrangement.
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From the inxi report:

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Partition: ID-1: / size: 47.45 GiB used: 12.90 GiB (27.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-2 
           ID-2: /boot size: 975.9 MiB used: 225.4 MiB (23.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6 
           ID-3: /home size: 23.16 GiB used: 159.9 MiB (0.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1 
           ID-4: swap-1 size: 2.07 GiB used: 353.0 MiB (16.7%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 68.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:      Processes: 241 Uptime: 24m Memory: 1.94 GiB used: 1.47 GiB (75.8%) Init: systemd runlevel: 5 
Questions:
1. Can you add more RAM to that machine?
2. Why did you install Mint using LVM?
3. Why not just use GParted to remove both the Mint and Fedora partitions and reinstall Mint after resizing the Win partition?

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Also, Mint's Cinnamon version might be too heavy for your machine.

Try MATE or Xfce.
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@ Larry:

The OP is a novice so may not know how about Gparted or how to use it.
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@JerryF the OP stated that he installed XFCE, not Cinnamon. I threw the GParted comment out there so they could ask about it and learn about a basic tool.
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Here is the output for lsblk -f:

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NAME        FSTYPE LABEL       UUID                                   MOUNTPOINT
sda                                                                   
├─sda1      ntfs   PQSERVICE   04280DA8280D99B6                       
├─sda2      vfat               F65D-49E4                              
├─sda3      ntfs   SYSTEM RESERVED
│                              E2520ED0520EA8FD                       
├─sda4                                                                
├─sda5      ntfs   Acer        BE8C108B8C103FF7                       
├─sda6      ext4               06b2b34e-87d3-4af7-8c7e-93641a3a66ce   /boot
├─sda7      LVM2_m             DTPjeB-So3i-HEpB-4t5D-3pmb-aGk6-qOlynD 
│ ├─fedora-swap
│ │         swap               11c46d7e-5407-4550-b07c-d045456e2969   [SWAP]
│ ├─fedora-home
│ │         ext4               39dd8b8d-356b-4e66-8d80-d8aff2f3f18e   /home
│ └─fedora-root
│           ext4               f1aff737-3773-45a6-a386-f3c8db0db5ad   /
└─sda8      ext4               3261c83b-c05e-4be1-8d8f-7d0e35df4fad
To answer Larry's questions:

1. I'm on a very tight budget. I'd rather not purchase new hardware if I can help it. Also, my dad, from whom I inherited this computer, said 2GB of RAM is as much as this computer can take - I don't know his reasoning.

2. I let the Mint installer on the Live USB set the file system. However, I assume the partition with the LVM fs is the one with Fedora, not Mint. (I might be wrong).

3. I would be happy to delete and resize partitions in that application. However, I'm only vaguely familiar with it. I want to make sure I know what I'm doing first before I go ahead and do that - at the moment, I'm not all that confident.

To reply to Jerry:

The Mint I installed is xfce.

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As to the OP's question of the 2GB RAM limit, it appeasr from a spec review in Google, that the MB on that laptop model is limited to 2GB.

Based on the lsblk -f the XFCE appears to be on /dev/sda8 as nothing is mounted (in that view) but the device is formatted to ext4. The Fedora is on /dev/sda7, which is an lvm2 (hardware RAID) which could explain the slowness on this fairly low spec machine. Curiously /dev/sda6 is ext4 with a /boot partition on it, and since it is mounted, I'm assuming it's related to the Fedora install, and would further explain the slowness of fedora on this machine. The rest is NTFS and vfat for the Windows 7 installation.

In my opinion, /dev/sda6, /dev/sda7, and /dev/sda8 should be reused as the XFCE platform and the lvm2 installation supporting Fedora should be removed. All that can be done gparted, either as a bootable gparted USB drive or by using the gparted on the XFCE Live Install USB drive. This would amount to a "clean install" (basically a reinstall) of XFCE using the "something else" install option. sda6/7/8 could be merged or could be used as separate /, /home, SWAP partitions - or some combination.

If the OP is amenable to this approach, then he should chime in to agree/disagree and then we can proceed.
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Larry78723 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:56 am
@JerryF the OP stated that he installed XFCE, not Cinnamon. I threw the GParted comment out there so they could ask about it and learn about a basic tool.
Missed that... :oops:
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@jglen
The Fedora is on /dev/sda7, which is an lvm2 (hardware RAID) which could explain the slowness on this fairly low spec machine.
Sorry; do you mean the lvm2 formatting explains the slowness of Fedora or of the whole machine?
In my opinion, /dev/sda6, /dev/sda7, and /dev/sda8 should be reused as the XFCE platform and the lvm2 installation supporting Fedora should be removed. All that can be done gparted, either as a bootable gparted USB drive or by using the gparted on the XFCE Live Install USB drive. This would amount to a "clean install" (basically a reinstall) of XFCE using the "something else" install option. sda6/7/8 could be merged or could be used as separate /, /home, SWAP partitions - or some combination.
I'm happy to do something like that, but I do have some questions first.

1. Is there any explanation as to why Mint xfce is so slow at the moment? I checked the task manager: only about 30% of the CPU and RAM was in use most of the time, but it was incredibly slow.

2. Would the following steps allow me to do a "clean install":

Delete partitions 6 to 8 (from a live USB in GParted)
Resize the Windows partition (it's the larger one formatted to NTFS?) to cover the empty space left after the previous step.
Install Mint xfce as a dual boot with Windows?

3. If I customise the repartitioning so there is one each for /, /home and SWAP, how big should each partition be? I've got no idea at the moment.

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Your machine is relatively low spec. The lvm2 (logical volume manager) adds another process between the Os and whatever is happening on the disk. On a high spec machine, lvm probably would not make as much of a significant difference. It's a hardware RAID system. And yes, it slows down whatever is running within the lvm. The three OSes do not run at the same time, only one at a time.

I would recommend, assuming you don't want the Fedora installation, that you use Fedora's space to run the Mint XFCE. There are several ways to do that, but in your case the simplest and most direct approach is to back up any important data files that you may have in Fedora and in XFCE to a safe place off the PC. Then we can work on doing a new, fresh, "clean" install of XFCE and use the existing Fedora and XFCE partitions to support that.

Based on the total size of the PC's drive, 232GB, and the size of the current Fedora drive space (not the files, but the allocated space) of about 70GB, plus whatever space was given to XFCE, I'm assuming there is about 100GB of space that can be given to the fresh install of XFCE without messing with the Windows partitions. That would allow for no less than 20GB for /, about 75GB (maybe a bit more) for /home, and a 2GB SWAP partition. If you agree with that, we can pursue that plan, and once we get into the installer we may find a bit less room or more than my guess.
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Thanks. That sounds good, but there is one thing I would like to clarify first.

Why is my current version of Mint running so slowly? Would this be fixed with a fresh install?

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robertbuckmaster wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:28 am
Thanks. That sounds good, but there is one thing I would like to clarify first.

Why is my current version of Mint running so slowly? Would this be fixed with a fresh install?
Hope I'm not cross posting but - slowly.

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jon@jon-AOD255:~$ inxi -Fxz
System:
  Host: jon-AOD255 Kernel: 5.0.0-37-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
  v: 7.4.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.1 Distro: Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia 
  base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic 
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Acer product: AOD255 v: V3.10(DDR3) serial: <filter> 
  Mobo: Acer model: JE02_PT v: V3.10(DDR3) serial: <filter> BIOS: Acer 
  v: 3.10(DDR3) date: 11/17/2010 
CPU:
  Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Atom N550 bits: 64 type: MT MCP 
  arch: Bonnell rev: A L2 cache: 512 KiB 
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 bogomips: 11971 
  Speed: 998 MHz min/max: 1000/1500 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 998 2: 998 
  3: 998 4: 998 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics 
  vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: intel 
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1024x600~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Pineview M v: 1.4 Mesa 19.0.8 
  direct render: Yes 
Info:
  Processes: 187 Uptime: 9m Memory: 970.8 MiB used: 621.4 MiB (64.0%) 
  Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 7.4.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.20 
  inxi: 3.0.32 
jon@jon-AOD255:~$ 
I'm using the same machine with 1GB of RAM and it's slow, but that's only to be expected.

What I've tried is 'small' Linuxes such as Puppy and Crunchbang++ and running from USB stick they're much faster, but when installed to HD there's very little difference between them and Mint. Presumably that's a comment about my hardware rather than the Distros?

I still have Antix and Peppermint to try but am not really expecting anything wonderful to happen.

I am seriously thinking about buying a new USB stick and running my OS from it. Antix makes a big point about it having 'persistence' so any software installed stays that way. Then you could just reformat your HD as you wish maybe having your windows and then storage for docs etc?

ATB, Jon - who must buy more RAM.

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dorsetUK wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:14 am
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Hope I'm not cross posting but - slowly.
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You are hijacking a post and is against forum policy.

I would follow this thread to get ideas, then start your own thread.
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JerryF wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:45 am
You are hijacking a post and is against forum policy.

I would follow this thread to get ideas, then start your own thread.
Sorry JerryF, I just thought that my experiences might be of some help, and I'm not asking for advice.

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dorsetUK wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:55 pm
JerryF wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:45 am
You are hijacking a post and is against forum policy.

I would follow this thread to get ideas, then start your own thread.
Sorry JerryF, I just thought that my experiences might be of some help, and I'm not asking for advice.

Jon.
I'm the one who should be and is sorry. I should have realized that you were trying to help.
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