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Revising my Harddrive's Dual Op Partitions

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About a year ago, when Microsoft's support for Windows 7 was close to expiration, I decided to try Linux by creating a dual op partition of my harddrive. Fortunately, I found good advice for a lay computer user on the net and was able to accomplish my goal. I have a Dell desktop of over 6 years' vintage, the Inspiron 660s. It came with a 500GB hardrive.

In choosing my dual op's partition sizes, I allocated only about 195GB to the 4th partition (ext) on which my Linux Mint 19.1 (cinnamon) resides. I allocated far more than necessary to my old Windows 7 partitions, the 2nd and 3rd as I recall, a total of 268GB. The 2nd partition is a Windows reserve partition (for backups) and the 3rd, for the Windows 7 operating system. The 1st partition is, I believe, a boot partition of only 37GB.

I would like to reallocate those 4 partitions. I still use Windows 7 but not when I am connected to the internet. I use it only for special programs that I had downloaded to it years ago and cannot replace. They do not require much harddrive space. I am open to suggestions on the re-distribution of my harddrive that would give Linux Mint the predominant share of my harddrive.

Would some talented and kindly expert advise me on how to perform this reallocation ?
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Re: Revising my Harddrive's Dual Op Partitions

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A few more details about your system would be helpful. Please open terminal, expand it to the whole screen and execute next commands

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inxi -Fxxxrz

lsblk -o NAME,SIZE,FSTYPE,UUID,PARTUUID,MOUNTPOINT,PTTYPE,PARTFLAGS

sudo parted -l
Copy outputs and post them between code tags so we can see those details.

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senjoz: Dear Joze: You wrote to send between code tags. I don't know what that means. I tried the commands. There was a considerable output:

alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ inxi -Fxxxrz
System:
Host: alvin-Inspiron-660s Kernel: 4.15.0-121-generic x86_64 bits: 64
compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.0.10 wm: muffin 4.0.7
dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Dell product: Inspiron 660s v: N/A serial: <filter>
Chassis: type: 3 serial: <filter>
Mobo: Dell model: 0XFWHV v: A00 serial: <filter> BIOS: Dell v: A11
date: 10/14/2013
CPU:
Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Pentium G2030 bits: 64 type: MCP
arch: Ivy Bridge rev: 9 L2 cache: 3072 KiB
flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 11976
Speed: 1597 MHz min/max: 1600/3000 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1597 2: 1597
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics
vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0152
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
resolution: 1600x900~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 2500 (IVB GT1)
v: 4.2 Mesa 20.0.8 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes
Audio:
Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio vendor: Dell
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:1e20
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.0-121-generic
Network:
Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Dell
driver: ath9k v: kernel port: f040 bus ID: 03:00.0 chip ID: 168c:0032
IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
vendor: Dell driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: e000 bus ID: 04:00.0
chip ID: 10ec:8168
IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 480.60 GiB used: 103.36 GiB (21.5%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST500DM002-1BD142 size: 465.76 GiB
speed: 6.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm serial: <filter> rev: KC47 scheme: MBR
ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Generic model: Multi-Card size: 14.84 GiB
serial: <filter> rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 191.25 GiB used: 103.22 GiB (54.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C
Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 1126
Repos:
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
1: deb http://repos.azulsystems.com/ubuntu stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/libreoffice-libreoffice-7-0-bionic.list
1: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/li ... 7-0/ubuntu bionic main
2: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/li ... 7-0/ubuntu bionic main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-dbgsym-repositories.list
1: deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic main restricted universe multiverse
2: deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
1: deb http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa main upstream import backport
2: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main restricted universe multiverse
3: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
4: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
5: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse
6: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ bionic partner
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-source-repositories.list
1: deb-src http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa main upstream import backport
2: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main restricted universe multiverse
3: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
4: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
5: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse
6: deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ bionic partner
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sane-project-sane-git-bionic.list
1: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sane-project/sane-git/ubuntu bionic main
2: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/sane-project/sane-git/ubuntu bionic main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/skype-stable.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.skype.com/deb stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java-bionic.list
1: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu bionic main
2: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu bionic main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/zulu-openjdk.list
1: deb [ arch=amd64 ] https://repos.azul.com/zulu/deb/ stable main
Info:
Processes: 191 Uptime: 4h 35m Memory: 3.73 GiB used: 1.40 GiB (37.6%)
Init: systemd v: 237 runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 7.5.0 alt: 7 Shell: bash
v: 4.4.20 running in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.0.27
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ lsblk -o NAME,SIZE,FSTYPE,UUID,PARTUUID,MOUNTPOINT,PTTYPE,PARTFLAGS
lsblk: unknown column: PTTYPE,PARTFLAGS
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ sudo parted -l

Is this what you want ?
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Re: Revising my Harddrive's Dual Op Partitions

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When posting longer output from the terminal please do next:

click on the button where in next picture the mouse pointer is
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in edit window you will get next code tags
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then paste terminal output between code tags
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Inxi output is okay. Please edit your post and insert it between code tags. Output of lsblk is not okay, maybe because of an older version of lsblk in your Mint 19.1. Please do it again with lsblk -o NAME,SIZE,FSTYPE,UUID,PARTUUID,MOUNTPOINT. There is no output from sudo parted -l? Maybe it is not installed in your system. Then just post output of lsblk.

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alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ inxi -Fxxxrz
System:
Host: alvin-Inspiron-660s Kernel: 4.15.0-121-generic x86_64 bits: 64
compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.0.10 wm: muffin 4.0.7
dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Dell product: Inspiron 660s v: N/A serial: <filter>
Chassis: type: 3 serial: <filter>
Mobo: Dell model: 0XFWHV v: A00 serial: <filter> BIOS: Dell v: A11
date: 10/14/2013
CPU:
Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Pentium G2030 bits: 64 type: MCP
arch: Ivy Bridge rev: 9 L2 cache: 3072 KiB
flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 11976
Speed: 1597 MHz min/max: 1600/3000 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1597 2: 1597
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics
vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0152
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
resolution: 1600x900~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 2500 (IVB GT1)
v: 4.2 Mesa 20.0.8 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes
Audio:
Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio vendor: Dell
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:1e20
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.0-121-generic
Network:
Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Dell
driver: ath9k v: kernel port: f040 bus ID: 03:00.0 chip ID: 168c:0032
IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
vendor: Dell driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: e000 bus ID: 04:00.0
chip ID: 10ec:8168
IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 480.60 GiB used: 103.36 GiB (21.5%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST500DM002-1BD142 size: 465.76 GiB
speed: 6.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm serial: <filter> rev: KC47 scheme: MBR
ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Generic model: Multi-Card size: 14.84 GiB
serial: <filter> rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 191.25 GiB used: 103.22 GiB (54.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C
Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 1126
Repos:
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
1: deb http://repos.azulsystems.com/ubuntu stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/libreoffice-libreoffice-7-0-bionic.list
1: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/li ... 7-0/ubuntu bionic main
2: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/li ... 7-0/ubuntu bionic main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-dbgsym-repositories.list
1: deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic main restricted universe multiverse
2: deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
1: deb http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa main upstream import backport
2: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main restricted universe multiverse
3: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
4: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
5: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse
6: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ bionic partner
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-source-repositories.list
1: deb-src http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa main upstream import backport
2: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main restricted universe multiverse
3: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
4: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
5: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse
6: deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ bionic partner
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sane-project-sane-git-bionic.list
1: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sane-project/sane-git/ubuntu bionic main
2: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/sane-project/sane-git/ubuntu bionic main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/skype-stable.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.skype.com/deb stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java-bionic.list
1: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu bionic main
2: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu bionic main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/zulu-openjdk.list
1: deb [ arch=amd64 ] https://repos.azul.com/zulu/deb/ stable main
Info:
Processes: 191 Uptime: 4h 35m Memory: 3.73 GiB used: 1.40 GiB (37.6%)
Init: systemd v: 237 runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 7.5.0 alt: 7 Shell: bash
v: 4.4.20 running in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.0.27
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ lsblk -o NAME,SIZE,FSTYPE,UUID,PARTUUID,MOUNTPOINT,PTTYPE,PARTFLAGS
lsblk: unknown column: PTTYPE,PARTFLAGS
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ sudo parted -l/code]
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Re: Revising my Harddrive's Dual Op Partitions

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Joze- Please note that I have an external harddrive on which my entire system harddrive has been imaged for backup purposes. The Linux ext4 partition and the Windows partitions are imaged. My active, internal harddrive partitions can also be transferred as clones. Do you have enough information now?

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You will want to boot the live session installer for Mint. This will allow you to make all the changes to the partitions.

If you have correctly created your "Windows system restore disk" from within Windows then you can go to chopping into all the partitions with confidence.

Use GParted from the menu. Shrink the main Windows partition down. Click the Apply button. You can make changes and they will be applied when you choose. Move the restore partition to the left as is. Resize the extended partition to the left. Resize the Mint partition to the left. That's the general idea.
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DO NOT USE LINUX TO RESIZE WINDOWS OS PARTITIONS.
It can end badly from own experience.
To shrink a win partition use the free Macrium Reflect.
Than use a Linux live (installation) usb and make the Linux partition bigger via GPARTED.

Other ways tested and they all went bad, this works 100%
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Yes, good point, I should've said that.

The best thing is to use Windows and defrag, and then you can shrink the partition. And with Win7 you can simply use the Disk Management tool to resize the partition, that's why they put it there.

There shouldn't be any scare tactics involved here. Reworking a partition is not that bad. The Linux installer will shrink a Win partition every day, 1000's of people do it without any problem to setup a dual boot.
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Thanks to all for the suggestions. I shall study them all and decide how to proceed. I am leaving this as unsolved in case I need further explanation in the next few days. When I have decided, I shall post my intention for any further comment or advise.
Thanks again to all for your time and effort.

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olo and

Dear olo and zcot:

I have gone to Windows 7 and performed a defrag on my C: partition, #3. It is down to about 84GB. I would like to allocate only 100GB to it in the new partitioning, instead of the 243GB it now has. That would give me 143GB to add to Linux partition #4.

My Windows 7 reserve partition, #2, uses only about 16GB out of 28GB allocated to it. For the sake of ease, I would let that stay as it is.

My Dell Utility partition, #1, uses only 116kB out of 40MB. I would let that stay as it is.

My Linux Mint partition, #4, uses about 106GB out of 195GB. I want to expand that total to 338GB (by adding 143GB from partition #3). That is my goal. I don't want to install a new Linux Mint. I only want to copy what am now using from my backup to the repartitioned internal drive.

Again, I do not want to install an new Linux Mint with Linux Live. I want simply to copy my present partition #4 from my external backup harddrive onto the expanded partition #4 in my system box's harddrive. I don't think I made that clear before.

I have Macrium Reflect and can use it to create system images or clones. I do not see that it can repartition or reallocate the spacing of partitions. My experience is that it only restores system backups as they were made to the internal harddrive from the external harddrive.

Please correct me if I misunderstand you.
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zcot: I have given attention to disk management tools in Windows 7. In particular, I have considered the partition shrinking tool provided. You may not have considered the fact that it will shrink only to the boundary of any unmovable file in the partition. (Defragging is a separate matter.) This severely limits the usefulness of that tool, because Windows places files it wishes to protect near the right edge of the partition. In my case, that allows only about 100 megabytes of shrinkage, even though there is well over 100 gigabytes of free space.

Your suggestion to use disk management seems useless for the accomplishment of my partitions revision of the Windows partition, #3. I cannot compress unmovable files to the left in order to afford more space to partition #4, Linux.

Haven't you run into this problem in your previous experience?
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to olo: I see no way of using Macrium Reflect to resize the partitions as you suggest. I have used it for several years to provide me with system image backups. I have also had occasion to restore a backup with Macrium Reflect. One can restore an entire harddrive, all the partitions, or one can restore individual partitions, but their individual sizes do not change. If I am overlooking something, please let me know how to use Macrium to change partition sizes. Thanks!
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Yes, I would just leave partition 1 and 2 alone, and just deal with shrinking #3.

for shrinking the Win7 partition, here's some random search example that looks useful,
https://superuser.com/questions/1017764 ... -partition

and the linked suggestion too, the idea is disabling those system features:
Disable hibernation.

At a an elevated (admin) command prompt, run the command

powercfg /h off

Disable pagefile.

Open the System page in Control Panel (from “This PC”/“My computer”, open the Properties). Click “Advanced System Settings”, then in the “System Properties” dialog's “Advanced” tab, open the “Performance” settings, go to the “Advanced” tab, click “Change...” under “Virtual memory”, untick “Automatically manage paging file size for all drives”, select the drive you want to shrink, select “No paging file” and click the “Set” button.

Disable system protection.

In the “System Properties” dialog as above, go to the “System Protection” tab, click “Configure...” and select “Disable system protection”.

Restart.
That quote is from a Win10 forum answer but the concept should be the same. I suspect you would turn off the system options, this will eliminate the unmovable file issue, then you can shrink it, then turn that stuff back on as needed. I don't know what the exact file relation is with it but it will not be hard to find how to disable the pagefile and hibernation stuff, maybe even delete the pagefile because it will be recreated as needed later when you turn that setting back on.

In my previous experience I always disable the pagefile and I don't use hibernate either because I run IRC programs and plus years ago I put on a tinfoil hat about hibernation breaking down the PSU after seeing numerous boxes with the PSU going bad after the fad of hibernation came around.

It shouldn't be hard to work your way through it. ;)

Keep us posted.

maybe you put up that info that senjoz mentioned of the 3 commands. You did the 1st one only.
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I executed all three commands offered by senjoz
Two did not process.
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Far too much for me to hazard! You are much more knowledgeable than I, but you would not be on hand if things did not go as my hopes would lead.
Though I do have a backup, I don't want to risk having to use it. I shall let sleeping dogs lie rather than disturb one and be bitten by it - even if only for the loss of time and effort. When my Linux Mint 19.1 must be replaced in 2023, I believe, I'll start afresh with a new Linux - if I escape other catastrophes between now and then !!! Take care all!

Thanks to all!
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Alternate option, buy another drive. Take the existing one out and keep it to hand for reinstalling if you need to run W7 for those special programs on the odd occasion.
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to antikythera and others:
Yes, one can usually solve a problem buy buying something. I already have another drive like the one in my Dell. Switching drives on a computer system such as a Dell is not easy. I could do it. I have that much know how, tools, grounding strap, etc. That is not exactly what I would call a solution. You are trying to be helpful; so thanks anyhow.

I am not proceeding further with this but will follow the course I indicated in my previous message.
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Re: Revising my Harddrive's Dual Op Partitions

Post by antikythera »

Fair enough, if you need the W7 programs that often then I can see it would be a bind swapping drives over. Are there any free bays? I know it's a SFF system but that doesn't rule out space to install an SSD in for example alongside the existing drive.

Out of interest which specific programs are you trying to keep here? There may be a way of running them perfectly well via WINE if there's no true linux alternative which will access your existing files and work in a similar manner. Then you could do away with W7 altogether.
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