got a puzzle for youns to solve. yes i know kde is frowned upon here but other than slow to boot it works fine for me besides this is a kde problem across the board not just a mint issue but i thought i would see what the mint teams view on it was. anyhoo my kingston ssd died and im not gonna throw money on another until i get some spare cash for a good one and kde does not like to boot quickly on my wd hdd at all. when i had a ssd it only took a few seconds to boot now its like 4 or 5 minutes but is nothing more than a nuisance cause i can still hot key to my terminal during that time and access most anything but still i would like to see if i can maybe do something with it. i have looked at several other posts on the subject on the interwebz but most was on other distros or outdated in general and i dont want to mess this computer up cause in reality i have no clue what im doing. and if nothing can or should be done i can live with it the way it is. guess i thought i needed a challange today.
yep my computer is a Frankenstein mess. but i like the way it works and it works just dandy for what i use it for just the boot time could be a little better. i read where smartmontools.service could be disabled but im not sure that would be a good idea would like to hear others opinions on that i guess i could reenable it if i think i need it but still up in the air on it like i said this is just a little adventure nothing super serious just annoying having to wait for the computer to boot in the am. i know i could hibernate instead of shutdown at the end of the day but it would still bug me. and the reason i dont leave it running all the time i dont like it sucking dust 24 hours a day just a pet peeve of mine.
any help is much appreciated from the mint gurus
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I can't help you directly with your Frankenstein computer, but I can send you the data of my laptop with an official Ubuntu KDE 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) installation, running on an external SSD - for comparison.
I am using the latest Ubuntu Studio with the KDE desktop.
The external hard drive is a Samsung T7, connected via USB-C.
All updates from this afternoon.
yep kde works flawlessly on solid state. i wonder if they still optimize hard drive reading and writing (i cant remember what the correct term is) for hdd data on modern operating systems since solid state has been around for quite a while now and most of the population probably has solid state in their devices i would imagine that they would never disable such a feature that just wouldnt make since but i dont keep up on that kinda stuff im a auto diesel and aircraft mech not a computer wiz so i could be wrong. anyway im at the conclusion that modern software just wasnt ment to be ran on a hdd.
ozarkmike wrote: ⤴Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:21 pm
got a puzzle for youns to solve. yes i know kde is frowned upon here but other than slow to boot it works fine for me besides this is a kde problem across the board not just a mint issue but i thought i would see what the mint teams view on it was.
You won't learn that here, the Mint team doesn't post here normally. This is a user forum so you can at most get help or opinions from other users here.
KDE, by the way, is not frowned upon... it's just not a supported desktop. It's not immoral to use KDE, but people may not be able to help you with it.
If your issue is solved, kindly indicate that by editing the first post in the topic, and adding [SOLVED] to the title. Thanks!
~1m 30s to boot into full desktop environment is (was for me) normal for rotational disks on, otherwise, relatively modern systems.
Turning off services could grant a few secs and that's all.
I always switched from default to bfq i/o scheduler on HDDs for typical usage but this too had only a negligible effect on boot time.
Biggest impact on decreasing boot time had the grub argument "mitigations=off" but this is not advisable for the obvious reasons.
Is this not a service forcing a full disk check for errors at boot time? Does it always run at startup?
The service itself may load quickly but if it does indeed initiate a check every time, booting would slow down significantly.
The Muffin Man wrote: ⤴Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:29 pm
To prevent Frankenstein, I use KDE Neon. I chose The User Edition.
Yes, that or another distro that actually supports KDE. Or maybe Kubuntu? My main Linux box runs MX KDE 21, buit that's Debian Stable based, and since so many here complain enough that Ubuntu repo software is old, Debian Stable is worse. That doesn't bother me.
Installing multiple desktops is just a bad idea, and I think that's behind your slow boot issue, b ut the problems caused by installing multiple DEs are so hard to fix that the usual recommendation is to just to a data backup and clean reinstall. I've never seen anyone whose opinion I respect say anything else.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong - H. L. Mencken
my reason for staying with mint is it is as reliable and stupid proof as it gets as far as i know and it has great support. if you look up a linux problem chances are the mint forum is one of the first you will see with the ubuntu forum leading the charge or so it seems to me. i installed xfce and removed kde then reinstalled kde cause i could not live with out the clip board which i could probably find one for xfce but it was just easier to reinstall plasma and not fool with it for now. i bought a $50 t430 thinkpad off of ebay and should be here in the next week or so ( i live 2 weeks from everywhere) when it arives ill probably install arch kde on it to satisfy my plasma addiction or who knows i might just not add a desktop environment at all and just run it the hard way and leave my desktop as my go to for important stuff with xfce (i despise cinnamon ) it has been a year or so since i ran xfce but that was on arch. but it dont bother me much. my problem is ive gotten used to plasma and all the features that it will take some getting used to
yes sir i do i was just saying mint is a dang fine distro and i favor it more than the others my other choice would be debian if had to choose another distro in this branch of the linux tree. dont ask we all have our quirks.
well i tried to leave mint for fedora and that wasnt ment to be they got issues right now and i dont want to have to fool around. so i reinstalled mint xfce and here is the new load times i wish i knew why kde screwed this up but it is what it is
:~$ systemd-analyze blame
13.930s e2scrub_reap.service
7.637s systemd-udev-settle.service
7.472s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
7.174s networkd-dispatcher.service
6.029s udisks2.service
5.311s dev-sdb3.device
4.889s ubuntu-system-adjustments.service
3.793s accounts-daemon.service
2.883s systemd-journal-flush.service
2.776s polkit.service
2.625s NetworkManager.service
2.524s avahi-daemon.service
2.515s ModemManager.service
2.393s gpu-manager.service
2.378s thermald.service
2.377s systemd-logind.service
2.377s wpa_supplicant.service
2.346s networking.service
2.105s secureboot-db.service
1.965s plymouth-start.service
1.796s systemd-resolved.service
1.780s logrotate.service
1.556s rsyslog.service
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ozarkmike wrote: ⤴Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:45 pm
my reason for staying with mint is it is as reliable and stupid proof as it gets as far as i know and it has great support. ...
Mint is not stupid proof, period. There's no such thing as an idiot proof Linux distro. Many, many issues here are caused by users doing stupid things. I did something stupid with my MX KDE setup a few weeks ago with a grub update, I picked the wrong spot to put grub in the window. Had to do a timeshift restore ... well, either that or a crash course in grub-repair
And if you're going to use an unsupported desktop in Mint how exactly are you expecting to get great support?
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong - H. L. Mencken
fair enough but mint still seems easier than most other distros that ive tried albeit i have used some others that are considered advanced. and this was the only computer that ran kde i have 3 others i maintain that have mint xfce 2 are my moms and another i just bought also got xfce mint but kde is the winner in my heart. xfce is like a well tuned plymouth fury whereas kde is more a Chrysler imperial. both will get ya from point a to point b but kde will have more bells and whistles. mint should really bring back kde as a desktop they would have more customers. who knows i might go to neon ive got a flashdrive full of distros everything from debian and ubuntu server to arch and manjaro id have to pull it up to remember what all i got. but anyhoo i just thought the mint team here (not the real mint team) would know of a work around maybe someday someone will write some code to make it work better i dont know ive never wrote code that i know of i just do dumb stuff on the internet listen to music that dont play on the radio anymore and play warthunder. with that said without linux i wouldnt even have a computer i have no use for windows the last windows i had was vista and that was a laptop i bought while i was deployed in 06 so i could talk to family. anyway i guess ill end this book. ill keep an eye out for any fixes
Mint leverages Ubuntu and Debian, By leverage I mean in most cases the same deb packages (unless there's pinning). By far that makes maintenance and installation of software much easier for mere mortals like me. (If you don't what pinning is, then you're a mere mortal. If you know what pinning is, you still might be a mere mortal like me).
I've tried about all distros on distrowatch and I'm baffled at many of the package management systems (like Fedora, openSUSE, Arch/Manjaro). I'm sure that there are folks who love them, but I'm never quite comfortable knowing what just got installed with those package management systems.
I mourned the loss of KDE Mint (like many folks) but there are good alternatives out there Ubuntu and Debian based alike. The key is to find the one you are comfortable with. My main Linux distro is KDE Neon. While I don't expect support for KDE Neon here, I do read/post items that are relevant to the Ubuntu/Debian side of Mint. For example, I don't expect a lot of support for Plasma Settings, but I've found the comments on Samba to be very informative. And I don't post a lot on KDE/Wayland but I do post about VirtualBox.
to tell you the truth im tired of distro hopping. i have only used a handfull and yes i understand the downstream software usage (thats the term im using and im stickin to it haha ) im kinda bummed though that fedora is having problems and i didnt feel like building arch all over again (still mad at kingston for their crappy ssd i lost a lot of data because of that pos and i should have hooked up my hdd to back up all my data i know) and while i almost went with neon i just decided to use what works for now. if mint ever rolls out kde again i might switch over. but ill just use what works for now. got to many other things goin on right now that require my attention like the wheel bearings on my car that need checked and greased before i invest any more time in satisfying my computer habits
ozarkmike wrote: ⤴Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:10 am
to tell you the truth im tired of distro hopping....
I've been there. The truth is that Linux distros all use the same components (though you may want newer or older versions) and they just aren't as different from one another as you may think.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong - H. L. Mencken
