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Note syncing between Linux and Android, anybody ???

Post by JaguarNight »

Hi all,
I am looking for solutions on linux and anroid apps to sync notes between two platforms using
something like dropbox.com cloud.

Linux note app ?
Android note app ?
How to sync the 2 together through usb or wifi or cloud service like Dropbox.com ( free only ) ?
Note encryption possible ?

If anybody here was able to achieve this please drop some pointers and some notes here.

Thanks.

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Post by tadaensylvermane »

Google drive? Came standard on both my phone and tablet. Is how I do it.

Dropbox gives you 2gb free, pay after that. Google drive gave me 15 gigs free.

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Post by cheesefrock »

What kind of notes are you wanting to sync? Are you needing to avoid using Google?

Google Keep has an Android app and is Google's notekeeping system currently. It integrates very well into Google Now/search on your phone to record/transcribe voice memos and reminders. My favorite part is the location-based reminder system-- try telling Google Now to remind you to pick up milk when you get to Target, or to stop by Karen's desk when you get to work.

If you just want to sync arbitrary snippets of text it'll do that, too.

If you're already part of a Google Drive/Dropbox/whatever cloud storage system platform those should work too (check your phone-- these come pre-installed, usually). Just set up the apps for your preferred cloud storage on whatever phones/computers you use and it should be seamless.

Edit:Ah, you mention encryption. Lifehacker has an OK article on encrypted cloud storage if you don't want to do the encryption yourself. Again, after setting up the apps it should all be pretty seamless.

All of the phone apps should be able to sync over data and/or wifi-- check settings on each app if you need to control your data usage.

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I am in the same boat here. My messed-up situation is this:

1. I have 2 Google accounts, call them A and B.
2. A holds my calendar.
3. B holds my Notes.

On my Android phone (bye bye iPhone!!) I have a nice app GNote that does the Notes thing.
On my Linux laptop, Gmail B can see my notes but that is where it ends - working from within Thunderbird via IMAP. I cannot create/edit any of my notes.

I am looking for a way to have these on my phone where I can edit and add to Notes, have it synced phone <> laptop.
I do not see how Google Drive is going to help with Notes.
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Here is what I've been able to compile so far about notes:

Google Keep - GK ( notes ):
on Android side there is an app Google Keep
on Linux side several options on desktop integration,
there is no gui app for linux but...
- open GK from Firefox, basically edit notes in FF window
or install GK addon
- open GK from Chrome, there are a couple of addons
that supposedly allow to setup a separate gui from Chrome

now the problem with GK is that everything you type in notes
is going to be accurately archived and combed and kept by Google
I mean these guys love to look at any kind of data you give them...
means there is zero privacy, that's for sure...

Tomboy notes, this a standard on gnome desktops
on Android side there is an app Tomdroid TD
on linux side it's Tomboy notes TB
there are 2 separate developers, basically it's developed
by completely different teams...
TD(android) can sync to SD card or to Server
TB(linux) can sync to HD (and thus dropbox), webdav, ssh
I'm having problems syncing the two of them together:
TD syncing to server is not working for me, no step by step
available, and I guess it's not supporting dropbox ...
TB - I can't figure out how to sync to webdav, errors, etc...
basically these guys still can't code a reliable easy way to
sync... I'm going to continue to try to make them work
together, but it's pathetic that such old apps can't work
reliably + no encryption is available...
ways to try to sync: dropbox, btsync ( encrypted p2p ) , cloudsave( encrypted storage ), box.com
(webdav ), snowy ( webdav )... ubuntu one is not working anymore and tomboy's own server isn't
either. Here it looks like the best way to synch is through BTsync ( which works well for file syncing ) because btsync is p2p encrypted. So here are supposedly several ways to sync TD and TB
TD <-> snowy webdav <-> TB
TD <-> private/encrypted cloud webdav ( like cloudsafe or box.com, etc ) <-> TB
TD <-> dropbox <-> TB probably won't work because dropbox is not an automatic sync on change
TD <-> dropbox/dropsync <-> TB, ( dropsync is an android app for auto syncing with dropbox )
TD <-> btsync ( secure ) <-> TB

Evernote / Nevernote ( Nixnote ):
I got both installed but had not chance yet to see how they sync,
again no encryption, supposedly they provide a server...
and these apps seems like an overkill for simple note taking / todo / sticky notes etc...
it looks more like full blown notebook type app...

so basically 3 ways:
Google Keep / FF or Chrome ( via google )
Tomboy / Tomdroid ( via dropbox, dropsync, btsync, snowy, webdav )
Evernote / Nevernote ( nixnotes ) ( via evernote server )

that's it so far...
If anybody has any other ideas or has been able to make it work, please drop your
"step by step" here

Regards.

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Post by Kendoori »

IMHO Evernote is the key here. It is widely supported and works very well across platform. It has lots of features, but you can use it a very limited level if you like. I use the Android client, the desktop client on Windows, but also use NeverNote on Linux. The Android client is great and very reliable. Evernote is incredibly well supported and isn't going away. If you are looking at a long term solution with reliable sync it's hard to beat. Everything else will be a bit of kludge.

Some history...I used to use TomBoy and liked it very much, but there was previously support via UbuntuOne that dried up. I then converted over my TomBoy notes to Evernote and haven't looked back since. I'd previously used EverPad on Linux, but it's pretty limited in regarding to search and formatting. NeverNote (NixNote) is what I'm using right now. and the latest version https://sourceforge.net/projects/nevern ... 0Beta%201/ has been completely rewritten and is substantially improved and integrates very well with the Linux DE of your choice (I'm using Cinnamon).

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It is frustrating. I have Gnotes on my Android and there it syncs with the Notes in my Gmail account.
I have added Gnotes to Chrome but it does NOT sync with either my phone or Gmail on the very same account.

I am looking for a way to import my Gmail Notes into:

- Gnotes
- Google Keep

Anyione knows of a way to do this?
Can Evernote access/import this?
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:mrgreen: OK, for my existing Gnail notes, the trick was to install an add-in to Thunderbird. It is called ImportExportTools. So I exported the notes in .txt format. I then uploaded the entire folder into Drive. It works like a charm on laptop and phone.

I also repeated the export in HTML format but Drive opened the notes then as garbage.

Evidently, one needs to have Thunderbird and the correct add-in to do this. I am not sure how Evolution would be able to do this as I do not have it installed presently.

I am using Google Keep for my NEW notes as it can do reminders, etc.
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Some notes about Evernote:
- 60mb free space...
- a bit of overkill for simple note app
- about 18mb application size for Android
- on Android the app asks for permissions to EVERYTHING...
contacts, camera, microphone, gps, calendar, contacts, I mean everything :-)



Otherwise it works flawlessly.
Looks like Evernote is indeed numero uno in note taking at this time.
So most likely Evernote until Tomboy developers figure out all the problems
and add encryption...

Regards.

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Post by twinkel »

The platform I use for synchronising between windows, android and various linux machines is copy.com

This is a platform like Dropbox but which much more free space and more to gain when you have a friend reffered.

standard you get 15 Gb but via https://copy.com?r=VZlg7v, both you an me get an additional bonus of 5Gb.

Files are transferred in the background and appear automatically on the other desktop machines. On the Android it will show up on a screen but it is not downloaded automatically (you dont want an Android device to download 15Gb of data).
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Notes: Use Google Keep on Android and Thunderkeep in Thunderbird.

Calendar: Provider for Google Calendar & Calendar Tab in Thunderbird. Use BusinessCalendar in Android as iy is better than the native one.

Contacts: Google Contacts in Thunderbird works best.

There you are - no third parties handling your data.

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A follow-up, after much experimenting, I'm able to synch notes in Tomdroid ( android ) to/from Tomboy ( linux ) with BTsync !
seems like it's working ok, I will do some more testing and then write it up here.

BTsync is secure/encrypted P2P file sharing with no centralised server...

Regards.

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JaguarNight wrote:A follow-up, after much experimenting, I'm able to synch notes in Tomdroid ( android ) to/from Tomboy ( linux ) with BTsync !
seems like it's working ok, I will do some more testing and then write it up here.

BTsync is secure/encrypted P2P file sharing with no centralised server...

Regards.
This sounds wonderful!!

BTsync - please educate us? :?:
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bittorrent sync.

uses the bittorrent protocol to sync directories between various machines, including Android.
But it requires a server (or a laptop) that you must keep operational if you want to sync files.

I use it eg to copy videos and music to my smartphone & tablet.

Dropbox, box, copy etc keep the files for you in the cloud and you can sync anywhere, anytime, without the need for a server.
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I have meanwhile installed BTSync on my Android phone and downloaded BTSync for Linux, not sure how to install and configure. From there, it should be easier.

Conduit sync can also sync folders, eg if you USB thether your phone and let it sync your Tomdroid folder with the Tomboy one on computer - just an idea, still need to get down and do it. 11pm here so that's for tomorrow. :wink:
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I use an application called B-Folders which is free on Android, and you can buy a desktop version. It's not pricey, and you get a free trial on it :) But it has a native Linux desktop version and the sync is encrypted and direct over Wifi so you don't rely on any external cloud service. It's really easy to use and versatile, I've used it to manage tasks and work stuff as well as making a little hierarchical folder with notes.

The other notes app I use is Springpad, it has a free Android app and a web version you can use on Linux. It's great if you want to collect say photos, websites and books into more visual notes, but you can do tasks, lists and notes etc too. I just tend towards visual things because B-Folders has my text notes.

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Alright, seem like TOMDROID ( android ) < -- > BTsync < -- > TOMBOY ( linux )
note syncing is working pretty stable, so here is the readme on how to set it up:
readme.txt.zip
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Let me know if some clarifications are needed, I will append the file or add some notes here.

Regards.

ps.
btsync is basically free, encrypted, cloud-less, p2p, file sharing connection between cross-platform devices,
including using it for sharing notes between TOMDROID and TOMBOY note apps...

dropbox - cloud service, free, kind a slow I could not imagine using it for massive backups or large files, for me it's just too slow
and it's not secure, files stored on server are not encrypted

Same goes for box.com 4shared etc...

Overall I figured that the best solution to mass online storage is just to get your own Cloud box, they sell on amazon for as little as $100 !!!
and they are small, look like external hard drive mini towers, consume little power,
set it up at home or office, secure it and then just use it for storing your media files, notes, etc... for sharing between all your devices across
all platforms, accessible from anywhere in the world.
This will likely be a standard for a personal cloud, because you own it unlike some server located who knows where? and who knows who
can have access to your data or cut it off.

As far as the note apps go, here is the list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison ... g_software
out of those I found 3 top cross-platform and free:
- google keep - desktop integration is poor, webui only on linux, stored on their servers, not encrypted
- evernote ( nevernote / nixnote for linux ) - too much for a simple note taking, limit 60mb free, stored on their servers...
- tomboy / tomdroid - gui is good, free, however cloud support is missing or not working well or outdated or too complicated to setup, but btsync seems to be working well enough
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Thanks, Jaguarnite! I will try it out soon.

Here is another reason why we need local sync: http://www.maclindroid.wordpress.com/20 ... community/
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I edited the read me zip file, added instructions on how to restart lsyncd daemons on resume from hibernate / suspend
so they don't have to be restarted manually, see the zip file...

The note syncing setup seem to be working.
But it would be nice if the Tomdroid developer could add support for Tomboy synced folder structure, so
that lsyncd could be dropped from usage...

Regards.

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Post by bernd.wechner »

JaguarNight, awesome, I am so glad to have found this. Exactly what I needed and BTsync looks awesome too!

Alas yes, clarification needed. You gloss over Tomdroid configuration which the only really tricky part from my perspective as it's poorly documented.

To cut a long story short my notes are on my Android phone but in:

/storage/sdcard0/Download/BitTorrent Sync/TomBoy Notes

How do I get Tomdroid to sync to/from that folder or just to use it?

On Tomdroid Settings I see under Synchronization:

Service: SD Card
Location on SD Card: /storage/sdcard0/tomdroid

Now if I edit Location on SD card, a box opens with just "tomdroid". So I paste instead "Download/BitTorrent Sync/TomBoy Notes"

And it then reads right:

Location on SD Card: /storage/sdcard0/Download/BitTorrent Sync/TomBoy Notes

But I can see all my linux notes in /storage/sdcard0/Download/BitTorrent Sync/TomBoy Notes

They are in a folder 0, under 0, i.e.

/storage/sdcard0/Download/BitTorrent Sync/TomBoy Notes/0/0/*.note

after pressing Sync on TomDroid no new notes appear (from the Linux end). In a file explorer though I can see Tomdroid has added all the Android notes I had to:

/storage/sdcard0/Download/BitTorrent Sync/TomBoy Notes/*.note

And these I see synced back on my Linux box! Same deal:

Linux notes I see under: <tomboyfolder>/0/0/*.note
Android notes I see under: <tomboyfolder>/*.note

And in Tomboy I can't see any of those notes.

So nether the twain do meet. Syncronizing fine, but one it seems stores and looks for notes in .../0/0/*.note and the other in .../*.note and they can't see one another notes.

What does your end look like?

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