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Tried Firefox, very impressed/confused/please help.

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Hi all!

I've been using Chrome for several years with no real problems, under Windows 7 and now, Linux Mint. But I recently got tired of running out of memory while having only 5 or so tabs open (Mint). I only have 4 GB of RAM. Having the swap hit so hard brings my activities to a crawl, of course. I understand that Chrome treats every tab as a separate process, and that's great if one tab breaks, but otherwise it seems to suck up a lot of memory.

Anyway, I tried Firefox for the first time in many years. It was alien to me, of course, but after some tweaking I was reasonably happy. What really surprised me was that I could have 15 or so tabs open with only like 2 GB mem used. To me, that's fantastic. But can somebody explain that to me? Why the huge difference?

Also, a couple of days ago "Update Manager" had an update for whatever Firefox version I had (39, I think) to Firefox 40. I went ahead with it. But it seems that 40 is a BETA. I keep my computer 100% updated. I can't find any proof that my FF is BETA, but I also can't find any evidence of FF 40/Linux being released to the wild. It makes no sense.

My Firefox shows:

40.0
Mozilla Firefox for Linux Mint
mint - 1.0

Sorry for the rambling post.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

:D

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in the speed charts , Firefox is usually way behind Chrome. :(

the number of Tabs that you can have open is dependent on both the amount of Memory available,
and the actual speed of your connection.

you can, as you found, "tweak it" a bit - with some good results.

on this Mint 13 LTS - the FF only just updated to FF39.
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Pierre, thanks for the reply!

I have no idea how accurate http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com/ is at benchmarking browsers, but FF 40 barely beat out Chrome 43.0.2357.134.

I just want to use what's best for me. I'm not a fan-boy.

You said: "the number of Tabs that you can have open is dependent on both the amount of Memory available,
and the actual speed of your connection."

Ok. That makes no sense. I tested both Chrome and FF. My connection was the same for both tests.

Firefox uses a fraction of the RAM that Chrome does, in the same web-load.

It is what it is, and I like Jello.

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Are they both vanilla, or have you installed add-ons / extensions?
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There is something wrong with your installation. Final (stable) version 40 will not get released before August 11th.
First question is: how did you install firefox? Did you use a PPA?

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Kevin45 wrote:Pierre, thanks for the reply!

You said: "the number of Tabs that you can have open is dependent on both the amount of Memory available,
and the actual speed of your connection."

Ok. That makes no sense. I tested both Chrome and FF. My connection was the same for both tests.

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if you have a low spec PC like this one is,
and you have a medium speed 'net connection like this one is,
- then you will find that there is a definite limit to the number of Tabs that you can have open.
But: if you have a better than average spec PC & a half decent 'net connection:
- you could have lots of Tabs open & not notice any limitations. ..
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Yeah, it makes no sense to me. I was presented with the update option (FF40) through Update Manager as if it was just a normal deal. Since I was set in my ways using Chrome I didn't pay much attention. Then I thought that 40 was a milestone version number for FF, and decided to give it a try.

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It gets a bit more strange: My mother lives just a mile away and I have her set up on Mint 17.2 as well. I could only get her on FF 39.

Why/how I have 40 is beyond me. All I know is that I really like it. The memory usage is amazingly lower than chrome.

Can anybody help me figure this out?

Thanks!

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Please open a terminal, than press F11 (for preventing line-breaks) and enter:

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inxi -r
This shows your software-sources; paste the result here.

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Cosmo, Thanks for any help.

Here ya go:

deb http://www.duinsoft.nl/pkg debs all
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/removed.list
deb http://archive.removed/ubuntu trusty-removed games
deb http://archive.removed/ubuntu trusty-removed games
deb http://archive.removed/ubuntu trusty-removed games
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-earth.list
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozillateam-firefox-next-trusty.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/fi ... ext/ubuntu trusty main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/fi ... ext/ubuntu trusty main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/noobslab-apps-trusty.list
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deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/noobslab/themes/ubuntu trusty main
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deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/numix/ppa/ubuntu trusty main
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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com rafaela main upstream import
deb http://extra.linuxmint.com rafaela main
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deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security main restricted universe multiverse
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Yes, you have the mozillateam PPA in your list, which. brought you the beta version. You really should be more more careful with adding PPAs.

Disable this PPA at August 11th. Until this date accept only updates for FF 40, not for FF 41 or above.
As you said, that FF 40 works without problems, I would not make a downgrade, because downgrading FF can lead to a broken profile.

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Post by Kevin45 »

Cosmo, thanks!

I'm still learning. What you said makes perfect sense. I forgot about PPA's. I did learn a while ago to avoid them, but too late to not get the current conundrum.

How can I disable that PPA, and why on 8-11?

Otherwise, I am really happy with FF 40 (Now-I-Know-Beta). The memory usage is amazingly low compared to Chrome.

Listen, Thanks a lot for your help!

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Only at 8-11, because there might come updates for the beta-version (probably security related), which you should not miss. 8-11 is the expected release date of the final version of FF 40. After that you get the stable version through the official repositories.

You deactivate th PPA by opening the software sources -> PPA and uncheck this PPA or remove it.

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Regarding the switch to Firefox, mine is the opposite. I've been using Firefox for years and now I'm thinking of switching to Chrome. Firefox doesn't remember the Window position upon starting. (The other apps do, Chrome, Gimp, etc.) I always have to adjust the window every time after launching. This is not a problem in Windows.

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@thom_A:

As this is quite a different topic, please open an own thread about it.

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It's not just you, Kevin: Firefox really is faster than Chrome.

The benchmarks show it really does run lighter and can run even faster if you have things like Adblock tweaked for speed. The difference may look small, but once you start tossing in tons of tabs and add-ons it really adds up. Speaking of tabs, Firefox uses less memory if you keep tabs open awhile, but takes longer to release it when the tabs close. If you're in the "multi tab for the entire session" club, firefox is your browser!

Also, Firefox doesn't make it's money from ads and data collection like Google does. Chrome and Google have habits of spying to gather more data to target more adsand try to force you to see only what it thinks you want to see. Firefox and Duck Duck Go don't do that so they pass the speed savings on to you. Add in privacy software that blocks speed leeching spy junk before it can even load and it all adds up bit by bit!

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I'm not too concerned with whether firefox or chrome is best because I want both anyway. Some sites may work a lot better in linux with one or the other.

Firefox does seem faster lately, especially if you tweak it. Enabling pipelining and proxy pipelining usually will really help, and that's not that well supported in chrome. Reducing ff disk caching helps too if you're really limited in memory. I generally use firefox on my 1Gb netbook now and the speed is fine. As good as chrome.

The thing about chrome that always bugged me is that you have to install 3rd party plugins to do stuff that I think is essential. Like auto clearing cookies and cache upon exit.

A lot of the privacy issues with chrome can be solved by using a different default search engine. Mine is startpage https, duckduckgo the usual fallback. Though it feels weird to use Chrome and almost never use google search.

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