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automatic updates?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:40 am
by Cicero86
Hi, Can I make my linux mint auto-update itself.

I mean like for example; set it to auto-update itself for update levels 1,2, and 3 only.

Re: automatic updates?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:08 am
by Cosmo.
No, out of a good reason described here.

Re: automatic updates?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:27 am
by Pjotr
In short: don't do it, because you don't want an automatic update with a regression flaw to interrupt an important job you're doing.

You should always update manually, so that you can be sure that no work flow is endangered. And, no less importantly, so that you can act rightaway if a regression bug should hit you (like applying a temporary workaround until that bug is fixed in a new update).

*Serious* regressions are rare; so rare even, that for example Ubuntu has set all security updates to automatic by default. But Mint is a bit more careful, which I think is a good thing.

Re: automatic updates?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:52 am
by karlchen
Cicero86 wrote:Hi, Can I make my linux mint auto-update itself. I mean like for example; set it to auto-update itself for update levels 1,2, and 3 only.
I do not recommend doing so. Yet, it can be done. Actually only sort of.
Cf. xenopeek's tutorial here, please: Setting up automatic upgrades with unattended-upgrades
Read to the end, please, where you will find the sentence that only Mint Update Manager will honour its own safety levels, "apt-get upgrade" will not do so.

Re: automatic updates?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 7:25 am
by Cicero86
Cosmo. wrote:No, out of a good reason described here.
Thanks a lot! :) I read it all. It's very useful. :)

Re: automatic updates?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 7:26 am
by Cicero86
Pjotr wrote:In short: don't do it, because you don't want an automatic update with a regression flaw to interrupt an important job you're doing.

You should always update manually, so that you can be sure that no work flow is endangered. And, no less importantly, so that you can act rightaway if a regression bug should hit you (like applying a temporary workaround until that bug is fixed in a new update).

*Serious* regressions are rare; so rare even, that for example Ubuntu has set all security updates to automatic by default. But Mint is a bit more careful, which I think is a good thing.
I agree with you about this being a good thing. :) Better safe than sorry :)

Re: automatic updates?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:00 pm
by Cicero86
karlchen wrote:
Cicero86 wrote:Hi, Can I make my linux mint auto-update itself. I mean like for example; set it to auto-update itself for update levels 1,2, and 3 only.
I do not recommend doing so. Yet, it can be done. Actually only sort of.
Cf. xenopeek's tutorial here, please: Setting up automatic upgrades with unattended-upgrades
Read to the end, please, where you will find the sentence that only Mint Update Manager will honour its own safety levels, "apt-get upgrade" will not do so.
Thank you Karichen for the post :)

It was really a good idea to take a look at the updating process :)

Re: automatic updates?

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:12 am
by polarvortex
It's really kind of a bummer that you can't set it to do automatic updates. I understand they want to put the choice, information, and responsibility into the user's hands, but, I'd like another choice that I would be responsible for, and that's the choice to have it automatically update. (probably just level 1's and 2's). I'm mostly doing that anyway by blindly accepting and installing the updates whenever the shield icon checkmark goes away. The only difference between that and automatic updates is some extra clicking I keep having to do. I think a lot of users would be lying if they didn't admit that that's all they do too.

The problem with not having automatic updates as a choice is it's one of the barriers to getting friends and family to use Mint. I'm talking grandmas and other assorted noobs. It means they aren't going to do any updates. As a slightly knowledgeable user, I feel like automatically updating 1's and 2's would be better than doing no updates, so I wish I had that choice. I hope Mint adds this option some day, because I would like to spread Mint to non-techies. (btw, I think that it's insanely lazy and ridiculous for some people to not be capable or willing to do manual operations like this, but, that's the reality)

Re: automatic updates?

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:45 pm
by Pjotr
polarvortex wrote:It means they aren't going to do any updates.
For my lazy and irresponsible family members, I've solved it like this:

Mate:
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... -prominent
(item 3.9, right column)

Cinnamon:
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... -prominent
(item 3.8, right column)

Xfce:
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... -prominent
(item 3.11, right column)

Even my children do the updates now. Grumbling, but finally (finally) it gets done. :mrgreen: