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Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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I can't get the Screenlets program to install on Mint 18.

Why?

Does anyone know how to do it?

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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Screenlets don't work since some versions of Mint back; at least this is the case for the Cinnamon desktop. You should find for many a replacing desklet.

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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Screenlets worked fine (for the most part) on Mint 17.3 Cinammon.

I want to use Info Panel to keep track of my cpu's frequencies, the disk useage and other functions that are not possible to replace with any other utility.

I wish Windows' Desktop Gadgets worked with Linux Mint.

Does anyone know of another utility that works much the same as Info Panel?

There was a Conky utility that was almost identical but the latest version of Conky does not feature it.

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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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You might try System Monitor Applet. You have to install the package gir1.2-gtop-2.0 at first. You will see after installing the applet a warning, but a quick look with Mint 18 shows me, that it works. Otherwise search for an alternative applet.

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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Cosmo. wrote:You might try System Monitor Applet. You have to install the package gir1.2-gtop-2.0 at first. You will see after installing the applet a warning, but a quick look with Mint 18 shows me, that it works. Otherwise search for an alternative applet.
Be aware that the "System Monitor" applet is known to be the source of some desktop freezes in Cinnamon. Just a heads up if you choose to install it and then run into the issue. Not really a fault of the applet designer but more in the design of Cinnamon and the way that applet works.
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Joseph, I do not want to contradict. But my experience - with LM 17 to LM 17.3 - is good (otherwise I would not had it recommended here). I use the applet since about 2 years without freezes. Just as an additional information. Experiences may of course differ in different systems.

Joseph, is there the possibility, that you mix between the several, similarly named applets? I ask because I tested a few months ago also some others and at least one of them (sorry, cannot remember which) behaved more problematic.

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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Cosmo. wrote:Joseph, I do not want to contradict. But my experience - with LM 17 to LM 17.3 - is good (otherwise I would not had it recommended here).
Ah, the bane of a developers existence. It works fine for one person but not for another. I do know that a lot of people have had issues with freezing when they use this applet. Mostly just want to give a warning in case the OP tries it and suddenly runs into it so he/she knows what is going on. It could be that it's a combo of the applet and something else but removing it has fixed the freezing issue for some. In fact in Cinnamon 3.0 you will actually see an icon with a red exclamation mark in Cinnamon Setting->Applets when you load certain applets. Hovering the icon will pretty much tell you what I just did.
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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Of course I saw this massive red exclamation mark for this applet and at first I feared, it would not run at all.

Also of course I have no long-time experience with this applet in Sarah, so I have added it to the panel and will watch, how it or Cinnamon behaves. At the first sight I see no difference to the behavior with Rosa and her predecessors.

Additional question: If I understood you correctly, than the warning by this exclamation mark is not new in principle, but this warning icon only has been added for LM 18; correct? I mean, if this warning would be (theoretically ) be backported to LM 17.x, it would show there for the same applets?

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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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hi everyone,
does anybody know a proper replacement for the Folder View screenlet? It was really helpful for me and it only seems to exist natively in KDE (I use Cinnamon).
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Cosmo. wrote:Additional question: If I understood you correctly, than the warning by this exclamation mark is not new in principle, but this warning icon only has been added for LM 18; correct? I mean, if this warning would be (theoretically ) be backported to LM 17.x, it would show there for the same applets?
You are correct, yes. You are unlikely to see it backported to Cinnamon2.8 though. Normally once a new version of Cinnamon is released the prior version no longer sees updates. It's just a matter of being practical. There are only so many devs with so much time. The normal process is release new version, bug fix for awhile, and release small point updates. Then we move to working on the next version. If some major bugs are found a "maintenance" branch will be created for the current release so updates can be pushed to current version users while we work on the next one.
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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Cosmo. wrote:You might try System Monitor Applet. You have to install the package gir1.2-gtop-2.0 at first. You will see after installing the applet a warning, but a quick look with Mint 18 shows me, that it works. Otherwise search for an alternative applet.
That app is as ugly as they come! Ugghhh!

And did I mention uninformative??? What use is a a miniscule sized graph that doesn't include labels telling what it is monitoring? How about some numbers and descriptions of what it is actually doing?

Come on you LM 18 administrators! Are you brain dead when it comes to attractive utilities to monitor the vitals of your customer's computers? Few people want to be bereft of this capability but you admins seem to care less! Just bring out a new version of the OS and everything else be damned! It is well past time that you paid as much attention to users' needs to monitor what is happenning in their PCs as you do to pretty interfaces like Cinammon. :evil:

At the very least you could make sure your new releases don't break backward compatibility with the few monitoring utilities that do exist!
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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Todd Sauve wrote:
Cosmo. wrote:You might try System Monitor Applet. You have to install the package gir1.2-gtop-2.0 at first. You will see after installing the applet a warning, but a quick look with Mint 18 shows me, that it works. Otherwise search for an alternative applet.
That app is as ugly as they come! Ugghhh!

Come on you LM 18 administrators! Are you brain dead when it comes to attractive utilities to monitor the vitals of your customer's computers? Few people want to be bereft of this capability but you admins seem to care less! Just bring out a new version of the OS and everything else be damned! It is well past time that you paid as much attention to users' needs to monitor what is happenning in their PCs as you do to pretty interfaces like Cinammon. :evil:

At the very least you could make sure your new releases don't break backward compatibility with the few monitoring utilities that do exist!
Wow, trolling much?
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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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JosephM wrote:
Todd Sauve wrote:
Cosmo. wrote:You might try System Monitor Applet. You have to install the package gir1.2-gtop-2.0 at first. You will see after installing the applet a warning, but a quick look with Mint 18 shows me, that it works. Otherwise search for an alternative applet.
That app is as ugly as they come! Ugghhh!

Come on you LM 18 administrators! Are you brain dead when it comes to attractive utilities to monitor the vitals of your customer's computers? Few people want to be bereft of this capability but you admins seem to care less! Just bring out a new version of the OS and everything else be damned! It is well past time that you paid as much attention to users' needs to monitor what is happenning in their PCs as you do to pretty interfaces like Cinammon. :evil:

At the very least you could make sure your new releases don't break backward compatibility with the few monitoring utilities that do exist!
Wow, trolling much?
No, not trolling but just absolutely fed up with the scatter-brained approach of virtually every Linux distro when it comes to offering backwards compatibility with NEEDED monitoring utilities! This is one of the great flaws that ABSOLUTELY PLAGUES the entire Linux community!

It is this arrogant "We are above the needs of our customers" attitude that drives so many people away from Linux as any sort of viable DESKTOP alternative to Windows.

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Moreover, why do ALL the volume control utilities only implement these incredibly CRUDE 5% volume adjustments? Five percent is just too great of a leap, whether increasing or decreasing amplitude!

Come on admins! Ratchet these utilities down to to ONE or TWO percent increases or decreases in amplitude so people can actually find a COMFORTABLE LISTENING LEVEL FOR THEIR MUSIC OR DIALOG!

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Todd Sauve wrote:Are you brain dead when it comes to attractive utilities to monitor the vitals of your customer's computers?
This is very best way to motivate any developer (an administrator is something different, you should learn at first some behavior and than some terms), to not do what you want!

I see here only one person behaving arrogant. No one forces you to use Mint. No one forces you to upgrade to LM 18. And now one can force me to help you any further on any subject!

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@JosephM:

As I wrote, I did and do not expect that this feature gets backported. I wrote this (with the word theoretically) question to get sure, that I did understand the problem and your statement about it correctly. Thank you for answering.

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Cosmo. wrote:
Todd Sauve wrote:Are you brain dead when it comes to attractive utilities to monitor the vitals of your customer's computers?
This is very best way to motivate any developer (an administrator is something different, you should learn at first some behavior and than some terms), to not do what you want!

I see here only one person behaving arrogant. No one forces you to use Mint. No one forces you to upgrade to LM 18. And now one can force me to help you any further on any subject!
I am sorry but this problem is driving me nutty. And I can only assume I am not the only person who is sick to death of these endlessly recurring problems with every Linux distro.

Please don't take my criticisms personally. They are aimed at the entire Linux development community and not you in particular.

Linux Mint has so much potential but it never seems to live up to it! Every release breaks backwards compatibility and I can't understand why this is so. If it is a problem with third party libraries and such then why doesn't LM do away with them (and their endless forks in the road) and simply produce a distro that does not depend on flakey library developers who don't value continued compatibility?

LM could could easily put the rest of these distros out of business if it would just pay attention to backwards compatibility, and if this is out of their control then why don't they develop GOOD LOOKING monitoring utilities that are part of the distro and don't depend on other people?

Even a supremely simple thing like providing a volume control that moves in one or two percent increments is never adressed. Why?

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Todd Sauve wrote:Every release breaks backwards compatibility and I can't understand why this is so.
How is that? You realize that the devs actually work extremely hard to limit this. Sometimes things need to get fixed/improved and there is no other way. There are things that could be improved a good bit more in Cinnamon if they were willing to throw backwards compatibility out the window. One of the reasons for basing newer versions of Mint on the Ubuntu LTS releases was to help reduce some of this. Of course the move to a new base with Mint 18 brought some but no one forces you to upgrade and 17.x is supported until 2019. If you dislike it so much, and windows with it's awesome compatibility between versions is more to your liking, then use windows. There is nothing wrong with that.
Todd Sauve wrote:LM could could easily put the rest of these distros out of business if it would just pay attention to backwards compatibility, and if this is out of their control then why don't they develop GOOD LOOKING monitoring utilities that are part of the distro and don't depend on other people?
Because there are a limited number of devs who do this work in their free time and work on what they want to. Plus there are already enough gui and command line tools for this that apparently none of them has felt the want or need to do so. It's part of the reason so much time has been put into making developing the 3rd party xlets as easy as possible.
Todd Sauve wrote:Even a supremely simple thing like providing a volume control that moves in one or two percent increments is never adressed. Why?
Because not everyone wants the exact same thing you want. It would irritate me if it only moved in 1% increments. You make decisions that will hopefully work for the majority of users. The simple fact is 100% of users will never be happy with any single decision.

I also love how you throw around the word customer as if you bought the software. It's free and the majority of the work is done by people who do it for for free. Constructive feedback is always welcome but it would be nice if you would keep that in mind when you decide to start ranting and calling people who donate their free time for your benefit things like "brain dead".
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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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JosephM wrote:
Todd Sauve wrote:Every release breaks backwards compatibility and I can't understand why this is so.
How is that? You realize that the devs actually work extremely hard to limit this. Sometimes things need to get fixed/improved and there is no other way. There are things that could be improved a good bit more in Cinnamon if they were willing to throw backwards compatibility out the window. One of the reasons for basing newer versions of Mint on the Ubuntu LTS releases was to help reduce some of this. Of course the move to a new base with Mint 18 brought some but no one forces you to upgrade and 17.x is supported until 2019. If you dislike it so much, and windows with it's awesome compatibility between versions is more to your liking, then use windows. There is nothing wrong with that.
Todd Sauve wrote:LM could could easily put the rest of these distros out of business if it would just pay attention to backwards compatibility, and if this is out of their control then why don't they develop GOOD LOOKING monitoring utilities that are part of the distro and don't depend on other people?
Because there are a limited number of devs who do this work in their free time and work on what they want to. Plus there are already enough gui and command line tools for this that apparently none of them has felt the want or need to do so. It's part of the reason so much time has been put into making developing the 3rd party xlets as easy as possible.
Todd Sauve wrote:Even a supremely simple thing like providing a volume control that moves in one or two percent increments is never adressed. Why?
Because not everyone wants the exact same thing you want. It would irritate me if it only moved in 1% increments. You make decisions that will hopefully work for the majority of users. The simple fact is 100% of users will never be happy with any single decision.

I also love how you throw around the word customer as if you bought the software. It's free and the majority of the work is done by people who do it for for free. Constructive feedback is always welcome but it would be nice if you would keep that in mind when you decide to start ranting and calling people who donate their free time for your benefit things like "brain dead".
I would be a "customer" if the distro worked reliably and would donate. It just doesn't so I won't. And there must be millions of people worldwide who feel precisely the same way I do!

Why is it so hard to include a volume utility that anyone can set to their own liking? If you don't like one or two percent increments that is fine. Set it to five percent, as you like. But why can't there be this simple variability so I can set it to one or two percent? Surely this is not difficult or impossible, is it?

How does the distro break backwards compatibility? I don't know the technical reasons why but it keeps on happening! A simple utility like Info Panel from the Screenlets app can't be used because Screenlets won't even install on LM 18!

I don't like criticizing at all, but if you are not totally self-justifying you would admit that this release (and so many before it) was just not ready for prime time when you put it on your servers. It is impossible that I am the only person complaining about the broken features. Why can't you keep things working that were working properly on the previous release?

This is Linux's achilles heel. It just never takes itself seriously enough to offer its hoped for "customers" a reliable experience that does not break in dozens of ways with every new release.

Virtually everyone I know, including me, keeps hoping that Linux will sort itself out to the point that we can ditch Windows and all of the associated scams M$ perpetrates on its customers. But it never does! How long does it take to provide a reliable GUI-based OS that is NOT dependent on command lines and just works properly out of the box?

Linux Torvalds has long prophesied that Linux will replace Windows on the desktop but I would seriously caution anyone from holding their breath while waiting for this genuine miracle to happen. All you are providing is a perpetual beta!

I do appreciate the efforts people put into trying to accomplish this worthwhile goal but the people working on this get completely bent out of shape when someone comes along and says "Alright you guys, seriously now, how long do you need? This is ridiculous after you have spent more than a dozen years on it and this is all you have accomplished?"

In my humble opinion, Linux Mint is the very best Linux distro out there. But it just isn't good enough!

Take your hoped for "customers" complaints and suggestions seriously and you will have a truly profitable business. Keep on justifying your broken OS and you will labour fruitlessly and in increasing futility until you all pass on to the next world ...

Sadly, it seems that many in the Linux camp like nothing so much as endlessly tinkering with their OS, instead of providing their "customers" with simple reliability.

No one who isn't an absolute Linux guru can put their trust in LM as their everyday working OS until you actually make it reliable!!!

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Re: Can't Install Screenlets on Linux Mint 18???

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Hey Todd,
I don't follow you on the conky not displaying cpu freq's, I've been using conky for a long time and have only had to tweek my .conkyrc file every now and then to keep up with things. In my screenshot below I have moved my Drives Manager desklet over to the right for simplisity, but my weather desklet stays where it's shown (under conky) on my mint 18 cinnamon box. The Drives Manager gives the red ! but works fine and can also be used as a applet.

I only use the basic .conkyrc but there are some fancy ones out there if you search around. I can post my .conkyrc file here if you'd like to use that as a base.
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