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Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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I've been trying to get into GIMP lately and actually due to many and many Utube training videos I'm getting more and more into GIMP. I was wondering how the newer version adds up? It would be nice if you could run both 2.8 and 2.9 but from what I've read just installing 2.9 alone is confusing me LOL. Anyone tried 2.9 out or has anyone been able to run them both on one OS
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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Unstable means it likely won'r run in a, ahem, stable way. Unless there's some new feature you can't do without ... which is rare ... I wouldn't suggest it.
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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I tried installing it - after downloading about 300MB of STUFF, including 40MB of nvidia for some reason, I can't tell that it's installed.

https://www.gimp.org/downloads/ to get 2.9.6 (?)

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# flatpak install org.gimp.GIMP.flatpakref
This application depends on runtimes from:
  https://flathub.org/repo/
Configure this as new remote 'flathub' [y/n]: y
Installing: org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable
Required runtime for org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable (org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.24) is not installed, searching...
Found in remote flathub, do you want to install it? [y/n]: y
Installing: org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.24 from flathub
[####################] 9 delta parts, 71 loose fetched; 191424 KiB transferred in 273 seconds
Installing: org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-304-135/x86_64/1.4 from flathub
[####################] Downloading: 42.6 MB/42.6 MB (721.4 kB/s)               
Installing: org.gnome.Platform.Locale/x86_64/3.24 from flathub
[####################] 4 metadata, 1 content objects fetched; 14 KiB transferred in 2 seconds
Installing: org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable from flathub
[####################] 2 delta parts, 11 loose fetched; 40337 KiB transferred in 59 seconds
Installing: org.gimp.GIMP.Locale/x86_64/stable from flathub
[####################] 3 metadata, 1 content objects fetched; 6 KiB transferred in 2 seconds
Then it's still the old version:

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$ gimp --version
GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.8.16
And

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# find / -name  gimp
./etc/gimp
./usr/lib/gimp
./usr/bin/gimp
./usr/share/gimp
./usr/share/doc/gimp
./usr/share/menu/gimp
./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable/7bda4b1cadf3d096f849e34f18c5934fa2e6dbe97b3269cabc2176e96e2a25fb/files/lib/gimp
./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable/7bda4b1cadf3d096f849e34f18c5934fa2e6dbe97b3269cabc2176e96e2a25fb/files/bin/gimp
./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable/7bda4b1cadf3d096f849e34f18c5934fa2e6dbe97b3269cabc2176e96e2a25fb/files/etc/gimp
./var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable/7bda4b1cadf3d096f849e34f18c5934fa2e6dbe97b3269cabc2176e96e2a25fb/files/share/gimp
7bda4b1cadf3d096f849e34f18c5934fa2e6dbe97b3269cabc2176e96e2a25fb ???

Linux is getting more and more like Microsoft all the time! And flatpak really sucks!
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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Flemur wrote:And flatpak really sucks!
And "freedesktop" is why:
https://flatpak.org/#about --> flatpak@lists.freedesktop.org

They sure crank out a lot of garbage.

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# pwd
/var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable/7bda4b1cadf3d096f849e34f18c5934fa2e6dbe97b3269cabc2176e96e2a25fb
# ls -l
total 16
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   91 Dec 16 07:57 deploy
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Dec 31  1969 export
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Dec 16 07:57 files
-rwxr--r-- 1 root root  477 Dec 31  1969 metadata
Dec 31, 1969! Stay classy, freedesktop.org!

And! "Purging" flatpak left 800 MB of garbage in /var/lib/flatpak
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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Thanks for this. Confusing is the word. Time to backoff and foogetaboutit
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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Flemur wrote:I tried installing it - after downloading about 300MB of STUFF, including 40MB of nvidia for some reason, I can't tell that it's installed.
I am not sure you did. I think you installed the flatpak for GIMP stable.
  • # flatpak install org.gimp.GIMP.flatpakref
    This application depends on runtimes from:
    https://flathub.org/repo/
    Configure this as new remote 'flathub' [y/n]: y
    Installing: org.gimp.GIMP/x86_64/stable
I could not find a flatpak for GIMP unstable on the GIMP website. I did find one here, but the download servers appear to be members only.
And flatpak really sucks!
I agree! I much prefer AppImage for this sort of thing. With AppImage I know the size and version of the package, I control the location of the files, and I am reasonably assured nothing is left behind when I delete the package.

I wish more developers would build AppImages, especially for beta releases and those applications that require dependencies that might have an impact on the system. But then I also wish developers would provide useful documentation, bloggers would put a DATE on their blatherings, for the neighborhood kids to stay off my lawn, and world peace.
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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Pepi wrote:Thanks for this. Confusing is the word. Time to backoff and foogetaboutit
gimp 2.9.9 installed OK with this normal "add a PPA" procedure (which isn't mentioned at the gimp website):
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/inst ... ild-ubuntu
It ran fine, I thought they made the GUI uglier and harder to see (even after changing the theme) but the error/help messages were better.

I was mainly interested in the "healing tool" (to remove powerlines from sunsets, etc - the Photoshop version is so much better than the one in gimp 2.8...) but the 2.9 version is the same as the 2.8 version.
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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BenTrabetere wrote:I much prefer AppImage for this sort of thing. With AppImage I know the size and version of the package, I control the location of the files, and I am reasonably assured nothing is left behind when I delete the package.
I wish more developers would build AppImages, especially for beta releases and those applications that require dependencies that might have an impact on the system.
+1 ... appimages/all the deps included, really are easiest, and it's great to be able to back them up reliably too. Being able to choose which version to run per system/OS-version is important also; no being stuck relying on an external ppa etc :)
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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BenTrabetere wrote:I am not sure you did. I think you installed the flatpak for GIMP stable.
I think you're right...but downloading 300MB of ??? and 40MB of nvidia...???!?!?! 800MB of junk left afterwards?!?!?
But then I also wish developers would provide useful documentation, bloggers would put a DATE on their blatherings, for the neighborhood kids to stay off my lawn, and world peace.
+1,000 on that. The gimp version was "stable" ... which version is "stable" ? ALL OF THEM WERE, AT SOME POINT! The lack of dates (on blogs, etc) is one of my pet-peeves, too, as is the typical complete absence of basic documentation (tho that's not true for gimp).
Please edit your original post title to include [SOLVED] if/when it is solved!
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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Another issue I have with flatpak is the application list on Flathub contains a lot of fluff, and I am cynical enough to think it is intentional padding to make it appear to be in wider use. I can understand applications like Atom, Blender, Inkscape and MuseScore (all of which are available as AppImages), but WHY!? Atomic Tanks, HexChat, Envince, SuperTuxCart....

And to keep on topic, GIMP 2.9.3 unstable is available as an AppImage. It weighs in at a reasonable 72.6MB, and it does not infect the desktop with a Menu launcher or as a mime type. It is a bit slow to launch, but that is not unexpected or unreasonable. Get it here https://dl.bintray.com/probono/AppImages/.
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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"healing tool" :( This is one thing I was hoping an improvement
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BenTrabetere wrote:... Get it here https://dl.bintray.com/probono/AppImages/.
Aren't you concerned with security... I'd only download an appimage from a well known source. I mean, how do we know what is contained in the appimage.

There is a PPA.
Do note the warning to trusty user. Glib is going to be a pain to 17.3 user's that need updated applications but need to keep their systems.
To see glib history for ubuntu go to https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu and scroll to glib (trusty = 14.04). ldd --version will confirm, 2.19.
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Re: Anybody tried out the new GIMP 2.9 unstable?

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lmuserx4849 wrote:
BenTrabetere wrote:... Get it here https://dl.bintray.com/probono/AppImages/.
Aren't you concerned with security... I'd only download an appimage from a well known source. I mean, how do we know what is contained in the appimage.
I am concerned about security, and I would never use or recommend an AppImage from a source I did not know or trust.

The "probono" in that url is an alias for Simon Peter, the person who developed AppImage. I seriously doubt he would place a dodgy AppImage on his servers, it has been there since April 2016, and it has been discussed in the PIXLS.US forums.
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