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Best way to install photography software

Post by kuzman1 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:30 am

I installed Linux Mint about 2 years ago. I enjoy using Linux and never thought I would need a bad OS like Windows again - until now!
When I got my laptop 2 years ago it had windows 10 preinstalled but never activated. I installed Linux Mint as a fresh installation, no partitions. I can live with libreOffice without the need for MS Office.
Now taking up photography, and particularity interested in taking RAW pic, need to have the necessary software. I have done some research and Lightroom seems to be miles better than other Linux based, open source, software.
I tried to install Canon Digital Photo Professional using Wine, but it did not work.
Should I install VirtualBox? Can I then use the copy of windows 10 that I have never activated?
Please give me some guidance.

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by pdc_2 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:21 am

have you had a chance to look at any of these? https://opensource.com/article/17/7/4-l ... ux-desktop and https://askubuntu.com/questions/735776/ ... le_rich_qa

things like Raw Therapee are in synaptic https://photo.stackexchange.com/questio ... le_rich_qa

if you help them out, http://www.rawtherapee.com/?mitem=3 you can help the open source community

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by Hoser Rob » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:10 am

kuzman1 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:30 am
... Should I install VirtualBox? Can I then use the copy of windows 10 that I have never activated? ...
That may be ... you can't assume there's going to be a suitable Linux equivalent for a Wondows program. I think too many newer users are in too much of a hurry to get rid of their WIndows. I don't have it any more but that only happened after years of a Windows partition sitting idle.

You have to remember that almost no one has ever used Windows because they loved it so much. They use it because it runs the apps they need. Windows is written for devs, not users.

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by chrisuk » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:35 am

I've used neither, but have you tried Darktable or Lightzone? Both are supposed to be good alternatives to Lightroom, but I shoot jpeg and use Photoshop through Wine in Linux, so have no need for RAW processors.

If you're lucky, one of the above will suit your purpose, if not, you'll probably end up with two options: Stick with Windows or Dual Boot Windows and Linux.
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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by JerryF » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:35 am

kuzman1 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:30 am
I installed Linux Mint about 2 years ago. I enjoy using Linux and never thought I would need a bad OS like Windows again - until now!
When I got my laptop 2 years ago it had windows 10 preinstalled but never activated. I installed Linux Mint as a fresh installation, no partitions. I can live with libreOffice without the need for MS Office.
Now taking up photography, and particularity interested in taking RAW pic, need to have the necessary software. I have done some research and Lightroom seems to be miles better than other Linux based, open source, software.
I tried to install Canon Digital Photo Professional using Wine, but it did not work.
Should I install VirtualBox? Can I then use the copy of windows 10 that I have never activated?
Please give me some guidance.
You probably can install your copy of Windows in Virtualbox. Do you have the installation disc for Windows? My recommendation is to have as much RAM as possible.

I have this type of setup on my laptop. Mint 18.3 Cinnamon as my OS and in Virtualbox, Windows 10. With 8 GB of RAM, no problem here.
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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by kuzman1 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:49 pm

Thank you guys for your responses and guidance.
It sounds like I should try virtualbox first and see where I go from there.
Is this is still the best way to do it?
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... ct/oldgrub

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by BenTrabetere » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:44 am

kuzman1 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:30 am
Now taking up photography, and particularity interested in taking RAW pic, need to have the necessary software. I have done some research and Lightroom seems to be miles better than other Linux based, open source, software.
Let me start by recommending you avoid Canon Digital Photo Professional. The RAW developer and image editor functions are very basic; while that makes them easy to learn to use, the user interface is so clumsy that makes it difficult to do anything quickly. Also, these programs are excruciatingly slow - it took nearly 20 minutes to export 10 RAW files to JPGs.

I suggest you also try darktable (dt) and RAWTherapee (RT) - both are superior to Canon DPP. I have not used Lightroom, so I do not know how (or if) it is superior to dt or RT. I have dt and RT quite a bit, and I find they are very capable RAW developers. I have also used Lightzone and UFRaw (both as a stand alone application and as a GIMP plugin), and I think dt and RT are the better, more mature applications.

https://www.darktable.org/
http://www.rawtherapee.com/

I use darktable for my work - I prefer it to RAWTherapee because it allows for selective editing and I prefer the way it handles Noise Reduction. I also prefer the workflow. I like RAWTherapee, and over the past month I have spent a lot of time using it because I need a Windows application to teach my college-age nephews how to process images.

Both darktable and RAWTherapee can be installed from Software Manager, but the version in the repositories is old. You will want to install the current versions, and to do you will need to add a couple of PPAs.

To add the PPA for darktable, open a terminal and enter

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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pmjdebruijn/darktable-release
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sudo apt-get update
To install darktable, enter

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sudo apt-get install darktable
To add the PPA for RAWTherapee, open a terminal and enter

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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:dhor/myway
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sudo apt-get update
To install RAWTherapee, enter

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sudo apt-get install rawtherapee
Another way to use the current version is to download the AppImage from the RAWTherapee downloads page. Select AppImage from the All Platforms drop down menu. I have used it, and it works well.
http://rawtherapee.com/downloads

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by kuzman1 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:04 am

Thanks BenTrabetere.
You got me thinking......

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by JerryF » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:16 am

kuzman1 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:49 pm
Thank you guys for your responses and guidance.
It sounds like I should try virtualbox first and see where I go from there.
Is this is still the best way to do it?
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... ct/oldgrub
Not sure.
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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by lmuserx4849 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:22 am

There's a book digiKam Recipes which might be helpful on using digikam for processing digital photographs.

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by ajgreeny » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:46 am

You can not, unfortunately, legally use the Windows 10 that you had on the laptop in a virtual installation if it was as an OEM install to the laptop.

This may seem silly and unfair but only a full retail copy of Win 10 will install and be possible to register on your virtual hardware as an OEM version will be hard coded to the hardware that it came on.

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by JerryF » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:18 am

ajgreeny wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:46 am
You can not, unfortunately, legally use the Windows 10 that you had on the laptop in a virtual installation if it was as an OEM install to the laptop.

This may seem silly and unfair but only a full retail copy of Win 10 will install and be possible to register on your virtual hardware as an OEM version will be hard coded to the hardware that it came on.
Thanks for mentioning that. I had the same problem and had to use my Windows 8 non-OEM in Virtualbox, then updated to Windows 10.
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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by kuzman1 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:58 am

ajgreeny wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:46 am
You can not, unfortunately, legally use the Windows 10 that you had on the laptop in a virtual installation if it was as an OEM install to the laptop.

This may seem silly and unfair but only a full retail copy of Win 10 will install and be possible to register on your virtual hardware as an OEM version will be hard coded to the hardware that it came on.
Thanks ajgreeny.

Yeah, that's one of may may reasons why M$ sucks.

I will try darktable as a first step.
In the meantime, I will try to research Virtualbox and m$.
When/if I try to install Virtualbox it will ask for the allocated RAM and memory, right? considering that i will be running graphics on virtualbox, what is the recommended RAM for Lightroom? possible photoshop?

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by BenTrabetere » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:14 am

kuzman1 wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:58 am
I will try darktable as a first step.
The Resources & Links page on the darktable website has links to several screencasts. The ones by Robert Hutton are especially good. He takes a workflow approach to demonstrating Darktable, and he shows the steps he takes to process an image. Most are worth watching several times.
http://www.darktable.org/

Resources & Links also has a PDF book Digital photo development with darktable. It is more user friendly than the official User Guide. I recommend the “packaged” version because it comes with the images that are used in the tutorial. This is for an earlier version of dt and it does not cover all of the features, but it is still good resource.

I also suggest you download the Darktable reference card. It contains most of the keyboard shortcuts, mouse functions and a list of all modules for darktable 2.0.
https://github.com/x9foo/darktable-refc ... ag/v0.4rc1

I cannot help you with memory requirements for Lightroom or current versions of Photoshop - I have never used LR, and I stopped upgrading PS at CS2. Based on my experience with CS2 and comments friends have made, dedicate as much RAM as possible to the VM.

I have PS-CS2 set up in PlayOnLinux and a Win7 virtual machine. I have 4GB RAM, and I gave 1.9GB of it to the VM. It runs well both ways, but things get wobbly if I try to throw too much at it.

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by absque fenestris » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:32 am

ajgreeny wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:46 am
You can not, unfortunately, legally use the Windows 10 that you had on the laptop in a virtual installation if it was as an OEM install to the laptop. ...
That's exactly what I did with the number on the sticker on my netbook: The original hard disk was damaged and Windows 7 could not be recovered.
Microsoft itself has accepted my registration and so besides several Linuxes also a Windows 10 runs in the virtual box.
That means: Windows 10 mainly updates... (please do not turn off the computer)
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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by phd21 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:37 pm

Hi kuzman1,

I just read your post and some of the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

Unless you are absolutely required by an employer, or school, or other institution, to use MS Windows, or there is some very unique software that will only run in MS Windows with no Linux alternative, then you do not need to install or use MS Windows either in Virtualbox or dual-booting.

You can run MS Windows trial versions in Virtualbox (if you want), or full versions of MS Windows, if you have a "retail" license.
How to install Windows in VirtualBox - Easy Linux tips project
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https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... ct/oldgrub

And contrary to other opinions, professional and or amateur photography can certainly be done in Linux Mint (is being done in Linux). There are already many posts on this topic in this forum.

It is always best to install software from the Software Manager or Synaptic Package Manager (SPM) first, if it is available there.

The one excellent PPA that member "BenTrabetere" mentions "Dhor" has many excellent photography applications and tools that are not in the Mint repos or are updated to newer versions.

"DigiKam" is superb software, I recommend using their AppImage file. I have had issues trying to install this in my Linux Mint system through regular means, but the AppImage is safe and works great.

Corel AfterShot has a free version 2.x that can be installed and of course, their newer paid for versions are well worth the cost.

Hope this helps ...
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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by kuzman1 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:03 pm

BenTrabetere wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:14 am
kuzman1 wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:58 am
I will try darktable as a first step.
The Resources & Links page on the darktable website has links to several screencasts. The ones by Robert Hutton are especially good. He takes a workflow approach to demonstrating Darktable, and he shows the steps he takes to process an image. Most are worth watching several times.
http://www.darktable.org/

Resources & Links also has a PDF book Digital photo development with darktable. It is more user friendly than the official User Guide. I recommend the “packaged” version because it comes with the images that are used in the tutorial. This is for an earlier version of dt and it does not cover all of the features, but it is still good resource.

I also suggest you download the Darktable reference card. It contains most of the keyboard shortcuts, mouse functions and a list of all modules for darktable 2.0.
https://github.com/x9foo/darktable-refc ... ag/v0.4rc1

I cannot help you with memory requirements for Lightroom or current versions of Photoshop - I have never used LR, and I stopped upgrading PS at CS2. Based on my experience with CS2 and comments friends have made, dedicate as much RAM as possible to the VM.

I have PS-CS2 set up in PlayOnLinux and a Win7 virtual machine. I have 4GB RAM, and I gave 1.9GB of it to the VM. It runs well both ways, but things get wobbly if I try to throw too much at it.

Thanks for the great advice. Much appreciate it.

I will learn more about darktable using the book and screencasts you recommended.

I will start to learn about Playonliux (PS)

Thanks again :D

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by kuzman1 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:20 pm

phd21 wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:37 pm
Hi kuzman1,



Unless you are absolutely required by an employer, or school, or other institution, to use MS Windows, or there is some very unique software that will only run in MS Windows with no Linux alternative, then you do not need to install or use MS Windows either in Virtualbox or dual-booting.



Hope this helps ...
Thanks very much for your wise words.

I hope I will find a good raw processing software based on linux.

I will try everything I can within linux.

Based on my research, photoshop is at the top of what it is designed for. Even then, as Ben pointed out, I may try playonlinux first.

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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by phd21 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:02 pm

Hi kuzman1,

You are welcome...

You have already been told about some excellent "raw" image processing software that runs in Linux and the free DigiKam and free Gimp with its plugins and addons (gmic, etc..) are some of them. Corel AfterShot Pro 3. If I am not mistaken, most of the image editors can handle the "raw" format.

Here are some links to a lot of good information for you and others involved in or interested in photography ...

digiKam - Download - AppImage 64-bit or 32 bit, and other installation options.
Professional Photo Management with the Power of Open Source
https://www.digikam.org/download/

Corel AfterShot Pro 3 - RAW Photo Editing Software & Raw Converter
"Corel® AfterShot™ Pro 3 is up to 4x faster than Adobe® Lightroom®"
https://www.aftershotpro.com/en/products/aftershot/pro/

Highly explosive! : Dariusz Duma - excellent PPA for installing many Photography tools
"Every photographer needs some tools..."
https://launchpad.net/~dhor/+archive/ubuntu/myway

Linux Tools For Serious Photographers | Scribbles and Snaps
https://scribblesandsnaps.com/linux-too ... ographers/

5 Best Linux Photo Management Software In 2018
https://itsfoss.com/linux-photo-management-software/

4 Best Free and Open Source Tools for RAW Image Processing in Linux
https://itsfoss.com/raw-image-tools-linux/

7 Best Apps to Edit RAW Photos in Linux – Better Tech Tips
https://www.bettertechtips.com/linux/edit-raw-linux/

10 Best Free Photo Editors For Linux
http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/10-b ... -for-linux

Towards an Efficient Linux Photographic Workflow – Dmitri Popov – Medium
https://medium.com/@dmpop/towards-an-ef ... 9301c08da7

My Linux photography workflow - Roytanck.com
https://www.roytanck.com/2017/06/14/lin ... -workflow/


Hope this helps ...
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Re: Best way to install photography software

Post by kuzman1 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:06 am

phd21 wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:02 pm

Hope this helps ...
Excellent :D :lol:

Of course this helps a lot. Will read and digest the info you sent.

Thanks very much :)

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