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[SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:45 am
by Ozo
The Software Manager looks huge and 99% of it is useless to me. Could that not be moved off the system similar to how Cinnamon Spices works.

Really, how big is it?

Re: How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:52 am
by trytip
that's what she said 😍

but seriously, i don't understand what you asking

Re: How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:12 am
by Ozo
How much space does it occupy?

Re: How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:25 am
by Moem
Are you talking about screen estate (probably not), space used to host the files on the repo server, file size of the application (probably, but want to make sure)?

Re: How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:26 am
by gm10
I'm not sure I understand, either.

If you are asking about pre-installed software, you can remove most of what you don't need if you want to recover some space.

If you are asking about everything else that's listed in the Software Manager, that's not taking up any space until you download and install it.

Re: How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:49 am
by Ozo
gm10 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:26 am
I'm not sure I understand, either.

If you are asking about pre-installed software, you can remove most of what you don't need if you want to recover some space.

If you are asking about everything else that's listed in the Software Manager, that's not taking up any space until you download and install it.
Yes, that answers my question. I had thought it was all stored on board. Thanks.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:18 am
by Ozo
The Software Manager takes longer than any other app to load so obviously there is more to it than "nothing".

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:30 am
by gm10
Ozo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:18 am
The Software Manager takes longer than any other app to load so obviously there is more to it than "nothing".
It has to parse lists of large number of packages across all active repositories (bionic/universe alone has nearly 136000 packages), that can take a while.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:04 am
by Hoser Rob
Ozo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:18 am
The Software Manager takes longer than any other app to load so obviously there is more to it than "nothing".
But the 'nothing' is a big list fetched from the web servers, it's not on your machine when you aren't running software manager.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:05 am
by Pjotr
Synaptic is usually a lot quicker, though... :P

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:40 am
by Flemur
Ozo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:18 am
The Software Manager takes longer than any other app to load so obviously there is more to it than "nothing".
When you start it, it's automagically updates your software lists, which involves downloading files.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:53 am
by Ozo
Pjotr wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:05 am
Synaptic is usually a lot quicker, though... :P
So the Software Manager is redundant:

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:04 am
by gm10
Ozo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:53 am
Pjotr wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:05 am
Synaptic is usually a lot quicker, though... :P
So the Software Manager is redundant:
So is Synaptic, because Aptitude does the same. So is Aptitude, because apt does it as well, etc.

If you want a monolithic operating system, you know where to look. Linux is exactly not that.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:22 am
by Ozo
Thanks, I think.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:11 am
by gm10
Ozo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:22 am
Thanks, I think.
Heh. Frankly I didn't know where you were coming from, either (and I still don't). ;)

Software Manager shows you the description and screenshot (where available) along with the Mint community comments and ratings all in one place. If that has no value for it, then yes, Software Manager is redundant. Personally I'm happy it exists.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:36 am
by Ozo
It is just that when I bring up the Software Manager it reminds me of when I first saw Windows 10 with all those, in your face, irrelevant (to me) apps which fortunately could be removed easily. With Synaptic I never have to see it at least. I sure hope no one is insulted by my suggestion to remove it. :)

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:46 am
by Moem
I missed when you made that suggestion to be honest... I thought you wanted the available applications themselves moved off the system, which they already are.
The easiest way not to see the software manager's suggested application is never to use it. :wink:

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:54 am
by Ozo
Moem wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:46 am
I missed when you made that suggestion to be honest... I thought you wanted the available applications themselves moved off the system, which they already are.
The easiest way not to see the software manager's suggested application is never to use it. :wink:
I said that, in fact I have removed it from the Menu by un-checking it in the Menu Editor so definitely will never see it. :)

I still see all the updates for that stuff however.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:11 pm
by Pjotr
Ozo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:54 am
I still see all the updates for that stuff however.
Surely that shouldn't be a problem? :shock:

Linux fortunately has a wide range of tools, some of which (partly) overlap. That's because we Linux users are, as a rule, uncommonly headstrong and rife with both rational and irrational personal preferences. Some of us even "roll our own", when we aren't satisfied with the standard offerings. :mrgreen:

mintinstall is, generally, mainly of interest for Linux beginners. More experienced Linux users usually prefer Synaptic and/or the Mighty Terminal (Linux's very own Swiss Army knife): apt-get and apt. That said: it never hurts to have an extra pipe wrench in your toolbox. You never know when even a little used wrench suddenly has its use.

Re: [SOLVED] How big is the Software Manager

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:14 pm
by Moem
Ozo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:54 am
Moem wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:46 am
I missed when you made that suggestion to be honest... I thought you wanted the available applications themselves moved off the system, which they already are.
The easiest way not to see the software manager's suggested application is never to use it. :wink:
I said that, in fact I have removed it from the Menu by un-checking it in the Menu Editor so definitely will never see it. :)

I still see all the updates for that stuff however.
That stuff? You don't get updates for applications that aren't installed. I thought we were talking about available applications, are we now talking about installed applications? If not, what is 'that stuff'?