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Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by johnywhy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:46 pm

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https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Disks
gnome-disk-utility
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-disk-utility/

Why was menu removed from Disks?

On Mint 19 xfce, my gnome-disk-utility is missing upper-left menu. I was able to restore it with Window Manager.

Question: was this an xfce-team decision? gnome-team decision? Or mint-team decision?
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by AZgl1500 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:17 pm

this is LMDE-3 Cindy


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and this is LM18.3 Cinnamon

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I don't see any difference.

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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by johnywhy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:26 pm

AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:17 pm
this is LMDE-3 Cindy
and this is LM18.3 Cinnamon
i'm not running either of those.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by all41 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:31 pm

I checked Xfce after op's report and verified the UL menu button is not visible by default.
Good grief--why would anybody not want that menu functionality?
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by johnywhy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:33 pm

all41 wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:31 pm
I checked Xfce after op's report and verified the UL menu button is not visible by default.
Thx, so this was a Mint decision?
is that doc public?

btw, this is not a criticism of Mint team! Mint rocks.
gnome support was confused by this.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by all41 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:47 pm

all41 wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:31 pm
I checked Xfce after op's report and verified the UL menu button is not visible by default.
Good grief--why would anybody not want that menu functionality?
To clarify--I checked both the live desktop and a fresh Xfce install to verify
your report. I was pleased to see you found the method to show the icon.
As I said--I don't understand why anyone would prefer this hidden?
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by Pierre » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:56 pm

johnywhy wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:33 pm
all41 wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:31 pm
I checked Xfce after op's report and verified the UL menu button is not visible by default.
Thx, so this was a Mint decision?
is that doc public?

btw, this is not a criticism of Mint team! Mint rocks.
gnome support was confused by this.


it is unlikely to have been made by the LinuxMint Team,,
but more likely it's from upstream - - Ubuntu, most likely.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by johnywhy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:22 pm

how to determine if this came from Mint or Ubuntu?
this is a general xfce setting, and i'm guessing Mint team prepared Mint xfce, not Ubuntu.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by DAMIEN1307 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:36 am

hi folks...im going to assume that the missing upper left icon for disk menu is a mint decision since my peppermint 9 (ubuntu based 18.04 bionic) has the icon button intact on "disks" manager...i too, when seeing it was missing on mint, was shocked that it WAS missing...DAMIEN
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by trytip » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:33 am

@johnywhy
to clarify, the mint team did not remove the menu from the disk utility. i believe they forgot or chose not to add the menu icon in the window manager layout of xfce settings. you'll probably notice other apps missing the menu icon in xfce if you remove it from the window manager. although i believe that i had to add the menu icon in a vanilla xfce install
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by JosephM » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:24 am

DAMIEN1307 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:36 am
hi folks...im going to assume that the missing upper left icon for disk menu is a mint decision since my peppermint 9 (ubuntu based 18.04 bionic) has the icon button intact on "disks" manager...i too, when seeing it was missing on mint, was shocked that it WAS missing...DAMIEN
Yay, for people making assumptions. I don't remember this ever even being brought up in the Mint team. Mostly likely it was some sort of oversight. We went through a beta and the release has now been out for a bit and this is the first I ever remember hearing of this issue.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by Moem » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:31 am

JosephM wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:24 am
Yay, for people making assumptions. I don't remember this ever even being brought up in the Mint team. Mostly likely it was some sort of oversight.
You could take it as a compliment... people consider Mint devs to be so 1337 / professional that they never ever make mistakes and oversights are not a thing that happens! :wink:
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by JosephM » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:39 am

Moem wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:31 am
JosephM wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:24 am
Yay, for people making assumptions. I don't remember this ever even being brought up in the Mint team. Mostly likely it was some sort of oversight.
You could take it as a compliment... people consider Mint devs to be so 1337 / professional that they never ever make mistakes and oversights are not a thing that happens! :wink:
Lol, true. These things do happen though. That's a big part of the reason we have beta's :) The wider range of users outside of just us have a tendency to fall over these things we might miss ;) The bright side is now we know at least one XFCE user uses gnome-disks :)
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by karlchen » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:43 am

Hi, JosephM, hi, folks.

If I understand it right, the icon in the upper left hand corner of the (Disks) application window is the "system" menu.
It seems to me that on some DE's this system menu is disabled by default; on some it is enabled by default. Not sure whether some elaborate plan is behind it. ;-)
In the Disks application this system menu is modified by the application itself. This, too, is the reason why the icon is not the same as in other applications which do not modify the "system" menu.
By the way, on Xubuntu 18.04 (corresponds to Mint 19 xfce) the system menu is enabled by default and the Disks application displays its modified system menu icon and therefore the menu as well.
Sorry, cannot illustrate my convoluted statements with screenshots, because I am logged in on a (uhm) Windows 7 system.

Anyway, enabling the system menu can be done through System Settings. It will affect all applications, not just Gnome Disks, of course.

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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by JosephM » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:11 am

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because I am logged in on a (uhm) Windows 7 system.
Shame on you :)

That menu is called the Appmenu in Gnome terms. In gnome shell it is moved from the applications titlebar to the top panel. Outside of Gnome shell it's supposed to display in the apps header bar. Different DE's handle this in different ways. It's not the same as the "menu" you get in a normal server side decorated window. That menu is supplied by your window manager. The one shown in gnome-disks it supplied by the app as are the window decorations. It seems many DE's are determining whether or not they show this based on the setting for what is shown in normal window manager decorated windows.

Fortunately this is a decision that Gnome looks to be going back on and just making that menu part of the app and dropping the whole Appmenu idea.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by karlchen » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:16 am

I admit I shamelessly applied the Windows term "system menu" to Linux Mint. :oops:
Thanks, JosephM, for explaining the details, which I had ignored, not really understood.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by HaveaMint » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:28 am

karlchen wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:16 am
I admit I shamelessly applied the Windows term "system menu" to Linux Mint. :oops:
Thanks, JosephM, for explaining the details, which I had ignored, not really understood.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by Terryphi » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:13 am

Thanks for the explanation JosephM. I was wondering why Disks did not respect the Titlebar Buttons Left setting.
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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by johnywhy » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:33 am

hi Mint team, this post wasn't intended to accuse or blame. easy enuf to re-add the icon with Window Manager. But maybe a good idea to include it by default, since Disks has some functionality which seems inaccessible otherwise. Maybe true of other gnome apps.

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Re: Which team removed Disks menu?

Post by xenopeek » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:44 am

This only affects Linux Mint 19 Xfce and practically only programs using a GTK3 headerbar, which puts functionality in the menu. This is a window manager user preference. The user preference default is changed for Linux Mint 19.1 Xfce (due around November/December).

As it is a user preference, if you upgrade Linux Mint 19 Xfce in place to 19.1 this user preference won't be changed for existing user accounts. Package updates can't change files in home directories they can only put in place new template files to be used for when a new user account is created later.

So Linux Mint 19 Xfce users will have to change this user preference themselves. It's easy though:
- open Settings from your menu
- select Window Manager
- on the Style tab change the Button layout (on the right side)
- drag the down pointing black triangle button (under Hidden) to the start of the menu bar (under Active)

It should look like this:
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