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Genealogy

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:17 pm
by Bob M
Ok, this one is from right out of left field.
I am doing a Family Tree and can’t read some of the writing on the various certificates. (Birth – Marriage – Death etc)
So, I was wondering if there is a programme that may be able to read writing?
Anyway, here is an example, the maiden name that of my great grandmother, taken from her Marriage Certificate.
Sir Name.jpg


Feel free to have a guess if you wish, because I, and others I have asked, have no idea.

Thanks

Bob

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:53 pm
by absque fenestris
Connaughey...???
Cannaughey...

A vague idea about the first name?
So, I was wondering if there is a programme that may be able to read writing?
Indirectly - it's called calligraphy - the associated hardware and software is already quite old and has to be washed occasionally.

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 11:17 pm
by absque fenestris
https://rocketbookhelp.zendesk.com/hc/e ... nition-OCR

For best results and to minimize character recognition errors, please print and write legibly. In our experience, OCR technology is not very friendly to cursive handwriting.

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 11:19 pm
by phd21
Hi "Bob M",

Maybe something in these search results?
online handwriting recognition - Google Search
https://www.google.ca/search?client=ubu ... DW2rDeEGYE

[ How To ] Free OCR Handwriting Recognition Software With Google OCR
https://www.geckoandfly.com/8696/best-o ... re-for-pc/

Hope this helps ...

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 1:06 am
by kyphi
I think that the name has a Mc prefix - McCannaughty or McCannoughty or McCannoughry. The o looks like it was interrupted - the letter o, in old handwriting was often written with a curly tail on top and therefore whatever followed had to be started with a fresh pen stroke from the line. Possibly the 2 dots under the Mc, where a mistake had been made, signify "stet" - let it stand or to indicate that a correction had been made. It looks like originally it was written as Mac and then amended to read Mc.

It might be helpful to identify the country of origin. Mc and Mac are usually found in Scotland whereas O' is Irish. You could try "family names of Scotland" as a search criterion.

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 3:37 am
by Bob M
Thanks a million guys and gals, I’ll work my way through all the suggestions.

Kyphi: You raise some some interesting points that I hadn’t considered.

Here’s the full Marriage Certificate to see if that helps.

The Certificate was issued in New Zealand.
Surname3.jpg
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Re: Genealogy

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 3:39 am
by lsemmens
Where were they married? You might find some assistance from the parish where they were married. Birth certificates of their children might also assist.

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:36 pm
by kyphi
The marriage certificate is quite fuzzy when enlarged but there is quite a bit of information there. The district is given as Dargaville (North Island) and the groom came from Aoroa, a locality just south of Dargaville.

Here are some pictures of Dargaville, including the Anglican church where the marriage may have taken place:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dargaville%2C ... &ia=images

They got married at age 22 and I hope that they both had a very happy life.

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 8:49 pm
by Bob M
Thanks guys,

Well an associate tracked the person concerned through the Kaipara Electoral Roll and thinks the name is McConaughey and I think she could be right?

What do you guy's think?

Anyway, I don't think any Writing / Reading Software could be expected to get that one. :D

Bob

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 8:53 pm
by absque fenestris
A small hint for working with OCR programs - independent of the operating system:
Make a scan with 200 dpi in grayscale - the scan must be easy to read, if necessary correct the exposure.
Save the scan as PNG or TIFF (lossless) - never as JPG/JPEG.
JPG is good for general photos - but the weakness of JPG is the correct representation of lines, drawings and the like. Fonts, written or printed, belong to it.

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:07 pm
by phd21
HI "Bob M",

FYI: Just for the sake of trying it, I uploaded your images of a signature into my Google Docs which it automatically tried to convert it to text (OCR).
[ How To ] Free OCR Handwriting Recognition Software With Google OCR
https://www.geckoandfly.com/8696/best-o ... re-for-pc/


This is what it came up with

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Surname using Google Docs OCR
Surname using Google Docs OCR
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Surname 3 using Google Docs OCR
Surname 3 using Google Docs OCR
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Re: Genealogy

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:33 pm
by Bob M
Brilliant, but I think there is work to be done on that program. :D

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 3:11 am
by tenfoot
Bob M wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 3:37 am
Thanks a million guys and gals, I’ll work my way through all the suggestions.

Kyphi: You raise some some interesting points that I hadn’t considered.

Here’s the full Marriage Certificate to see if that helps.

The Certificate was issued in New Zealand.

Surname3.jpg
Hi! I have a CD of NZ Marriages for the period 1836-1956, so If you'd like to send me a Private Message, attaching a full copy of the Marriage Certificate (so the surnames of both bride and bridegroom are visible, I'll do a search for you.

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 8:39 pm
by Bob M
Ok, a big thanks to all who helped with this puzzle.

However, it gets down now to who one believes.

The Kaipara Electoral Roll says the name
Surname.jpg
is McConaughey whilst the Registry of BDM (Marriages) say the name is McConnochie.
Scanlan - McConnochie.png
Which is right I may never know.

And a special thanks to tenfoot who has helped by PM & E-mail.

One thing that we have found, courtesy of phd21, is that OCR in a situation like this is of no help.

Here was me thinking Genealogy was an exact science. :D

Re: Genealogy

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:10 am
by redx87
kyphi wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 1:06 am
I think that the name has a Mc prefix - McCannaughty or McCannoughty or McCannoughry. The o looks like it was interrupted - the letter o, in old handwriting was often written with a curly tail on top and therefore whatever followed had to be started with a fresh pen stroke from the line. Possibly the 2 dots under the Mc, where a mistake had been made, signify "stet" - let it stand or to indicate that a correction had been made. It looks like originally it was written as Mac and then amended to read Mc.
The "prefix" on the certificate is not a prefix, and the two letters don't represent Mc. The two letters are M. S. and stand for " Maiden Surname". It is standard usage on certificates in some countries. The words "nee" and "formally" were also used.

The great grandmother's surname looks to me like "Cannoughry" or "Cannaughry", but it's a bit of a mystery because those names don't show up in any of my bdm indexes and don't bring results from a google search. They seems Irish and therefore may have originally looked like McCannoughry", or "O'Cannoughry". Prefixes were compulsorily dropped during the English occupation of Ireland.