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Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by D Canard » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:31 pm

Hi,

I borrow DVDs from my local public library - interesting stuff, not available on streaming services, generally. For example, I am watching the Italian series, Detective/Inspector Montalbano, depending upon how you translate the Italian Comisario. Mostly the library's borrowers do no look after the disks well, and they can be quite damaged with scratches and gouges and contaminated with various highly suspect organic matters. To get them to play, I usually have to clean them. And even then, they will often lock up midway through play. Sometimes, I can force VLC media player ahead past the damaged areas, sometimes not.

I discovered one time, in desperation, that Brasero would often successfully rip damaged and unplayable disks to playable ISO files. I was surprised and pleased.
This would sometimes take a very long time if a disk were badly damaged, much, much longer than it would take to watch an undamaged disk. So whenever necessary, I could watch a damaged DVD from the ISO file and then delete it. Brasero was not always successful, though.

I do not do this very often and have not had to do it for quite some time. But I just tried it with one of the Comisario Montalbano disks that would not play and discovered that the ripping was no longer possible with Brasero and Linux Mint 19. There is an error message instructing me to place a supported disk in the source drive. i scrounged around and found a couple of hard drives with previous-gen versions of Ubuntu and Linux Mint, booted to them and found that Brasero would perform the task perfectly.

I am wondering if this change is a legal thing or a technical (technical, as in have I missed something in the setup of 19). I would not be surprised if it were a legal thing. Can't complain. But any thoughts?

Thx.
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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by carum carvi » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:44 pm

D Canard, I dont know about issues of legality related to ripping in LM19 versus LM18 and Ubuntu. What I do know is that Brasero hasnt got a good name on this forum. Many experienced forummembers complained about it. It isnt supported very well and many users have issues with it. Great that you do enjoy it though.

I can only recommend one ripper, that will guaranteed rip EVERYTHING succesfully and very FAST. It is called MakeMKV and it is the best simple and most effective ripper of dvd's I have ever experienced. You need to install some additional software, but in my case (using LM19) that was automatically done, when I downloaded MakeMKV from the LinuxMint software manager.

For simple ripping audio cd's and burning ISO and burning data dvd's there is another simple and effective ripper/burner called: Xfburn. Highly recommended on this forum by many experienced forummembers. But I am not sure if Xfburn will rip dvd's, for that particular application I would still advice MakeMKV.

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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by all41 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:49 pm

I downloaded MakeMKV from the LinuxMint software manager
I have never known this software to be offered in Mint repositories

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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by D Canard » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:53 pm

Hi carum carvi. Thanks for the reply.
carum carvi wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:44 pm
Brasero hasnt got a good name on this forum. Many experienced forummembers complained about it. It isnt supported very well and many users have issues with it. Great that you do enjoy it though.
Enjoy? Hmmm.. Mostly it just does the few things I need it to. Not sure that I enjoy it. It does have its own peculiar warts. LOL. I have just used it since Dapper days and am familiar with it. It is the devil I know. :evil:
carum carvi wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:44 pm
I can only recommend one ripper, that will guaranteed rip EVERYTHING succesfully and very FAST. It is called MakeMKV and it is the best simple and most effective ripper of dvd's I have ever experienced. You need to install some additional software, but in my case (using LM19) that was automatically done, when I downloaded MakeMKV from the LinuxMint software manager.
Thanks. I will give it a try. I don't really do much ripping of anything. What i formerly liked about Brasero is that it seemed to go over and over damaged disks and not time-out/give-up. Media players have to present video in real play time and don't tolerate difficult to read media well - mostly they just freeze. What i was primarily interested in was the ability to recover video from damaged media, and Brasero used to do a reasonable job of this, the output wrapped up in an neat ISO file that could be opened and played with VLC.
carum carvi wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:44 pm
For simple ripping audio cd's and burning ISO and burning data dvd's there is another simple and effective ripper/burner called: Xfburn. Highly recommended on this forum by many experienced forummembers. But I am not sure if Xfburn will rip dvd's, for that particular application I would still advice MakeMKV.
Thanks. I will look at Xfburn. Is it included in XFC distros? If so I may have used it. It sounds familiar.

Cheers. Take caraway! :wink:

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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by MrEen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:59 pm

all41 wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:49 pm
I downloaded MakeMKV from the LinuxMint software manager
I have never known this software to be offered in Mint repositories
Maybe you deleted flatpaks/flathub? The flatpak version is available to me on 18.3.

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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by carum carvi » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:03 pm

D Canard wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:53 pm
What i formerly liked about Brasero is that it seemed to go over and over damaged disks and not time-out/give-up. Media players have to present video in real play time and don't tolerate difficult to read media well - mostly they just freeze. What i was primarily interested in was the ability to recover video from damaged media, and Brasero used to do a reasonable job of this, the output wrapped up in an neat ISO file that could be opened and played with VLC.
MakeMKV is very successful at making dvd's work again, that are frozen or wont open at all. It's really a gem of a ripper. It saves your ripped dvd in a MKV file, which will be easily read by Vlc Mediaplayer or any other video player.
Thanks. I will look at Xfburn. Is it included in XFC distros?
Yes, it is. Have fun with it. :D

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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by all41 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:05 pm

@MrEen,
Yes--that explains it. Didn't think about a flatpak.
I originally did a make install for it--been sometime now.
But yes, it's a good app for dvd

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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by D Canard » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:13 pm

carum carvi wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:03 pm
MakeMKV is very successful at making dvd's work again, that are frozen or wont open at all. It's really a gem of a ripper. It saves your ripped dvd in a MKV file, which will be easily read by Vlc Mediaplayer or any other video player.
Does it also deal with zone control/protection? There are foreign language disks not available/playable for my zone even if I wanted to buy them, which I would be happy to do but can't other than buying the disks I not supposed to be able to play, and Brasero would formerly sidestep the zone problem and remove it - it was just dealing with raw data and not actually reading the video.
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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by carum carvi » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:41 pm

Does it also deal with zone control/protection?
Yes, it does. MakeMKV is a real killer machine, it will rip anything and it will overcome region/zone protection as well, although it make take a while longer to rip the dvd (2-4 minutes longer) to bypass the region/zone protection.

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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by D Canard » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:50 am

Thanks.

As an oblique tangent to this thread, I report the sad news that Andrea Camilleri, the creator of Comisario Montalbano, has just died: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48681253

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Re: Basero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by Matera » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:02 pm

My favorite ripping tool is K3b - available through the package manager.
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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by phd21 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:39 pm

Hi "D Canard",

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

A.) +1 for the excellent MakeMKV application for backing up, ripping, your DVD / Blu-ray discs into digital files. I have always installed this using a PPA. Although some DVD/CD applications can rip a video DVD like Brasero (not my choice), "K3b" (excellent), Handbrake (great), etc... MakeMKV will work when other applications will not.

To install MakeMKV using the PPA method, open a console terminal, type in, or copy & paste, each line below one by one: Click "Select All" above command, right-click the highlighted command, select Copy (or Ctrl+Insert), click in the console terminal window, and right-click paste ("Shift+Insert" or "Ctrl+Shift+v"), repeat for each command.

Code: Select all

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:heyarje/makemkv-beta

Code: Select all

sudo apt-get update

Code: Select all

sudo apt-get install makemkv-bin makemkv-oss
You will need to enter in their free registration code every so often or buy their software which is well worth it. See link below.

MakeMKV (registration code) is free while in beta - www.makemkv.com
https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1053

Interesting article
vlc - Can linux play blu-rays? - Ask Ubuntu -
- Yes search for blu-ray packages in the "Synaptic Package Manager (SPM)" and install those.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/565516/ ... y-blu-rays

B.) +1 for "K3b" DVD/CD/Blu-Ray disc application. Requires some setup and installation of additional packages one time to work well in Linux Mint 19.x but worth it, see link below.

cd burner for mint 19 - Linux Mint Forums
- see my replies for installing "K3b" in Linux Mint 19.x or 18.x
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=279918&p=1542811#p1542811

C.) You might also be able to locate and watch TV shows and or movies online from whatever stations are playing them or from other websites. There are applications like "Leonflix" (linux users use their AppImage file), Stremio, Popcorn Time, etc... (Note: some of these applications may not locate a particular video or episode at the time you try it, so try at different times of the day or night.) For your particular TV show, you would search for "Montalbano". Tip: To watch some videos through Internet browsers (or media servers) that are only played in particular countries that you are not in, you may need to use a VPN server connection in that country.


Hope this helps ...
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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by D Canard » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:10 am

@phd21

Hi,

Thanks for the very detailed and extremely interesting reply.

@carum carvi et al

Thanks again. MakeMKV is a very interesting and useful application.

I walked over to my local library branch and browsed the shelf for really messed-up-looking DVDs with which to test it. With the worst-looking, it ran quite quickly, but then it "appeared" to run into difficulties and stall with the optical drive head rattling around and no progress being made. After an hour or so, I grew impatient, and rather than letting it run its course, I cancelled the recovery job, and went looking for other tools.

i found Gddrescue and Safecopy, both recommended online, both available in the LM repository - both seem to be of a forensic nature. I choose Safecopy over Gddrescue only because it had more "likes." (What a sheep I am!) They are command line utilities, both quite versatile and flexible. Both probably work quite well. The guy who wrote Safecopy said he didn't know about Gddrescue when he did it. Anyway I went looking boxes in cupboards and found an old PCI Promise IDE controller and some ID DVD burners and equipped my computer with an expendable optical drive. I tested Safecopy with the same messed-up DVD I had used earlier with MakeMKV, piping the output to an ISO file. It too went very quickly at first, but then it behaved exactly as MakeMKV did - drive head rattling around noisily. But it told me what it was doing (if I scrolled back up to the documentation provided when I ran it without arguments and read the symbols legend) . It took about 6 hours to recover about a mere 1% of the DVD's total data, the 1% that was located in a damaged area of the drive. Voids in the data where it could not be recovered it filled with zeros. Near the end of the disk there was another area of serious damage, so overall it took the better part of 24 hours to complete. But the amount of data it could not recover was so fragmented and so small in relation to the total that the corruption/zero-filling had no visible or audible effect during playback.

My conclusion is that if I had left MakeMKV alone for 24 hours rattling the optical drive heads around, it probably would have done just as good a job. It showed no signs of giving up. It just didn't tell me what it was doing.

MakeMKV is the more specialised tool, and it has a GUI. Gddrescue and Safecopy are generic data rescue utilities for pretty much all media, I think. They are both command line, although I think I noticed a GUI add-on for Gddrescue in the Software Manager.

This has been an interesting experience. Thank you all.

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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by phd21 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:04 pm

Hi "D Canard",

You are welcome...

IMHO MakeMKV is the best DVD and Blu-Ray disc ripper for backing up your discs or ripping them into digital video files for media servers, etc... and it is fast usually.

That's interesting you found safecopy and ddrescue on your own. I just mentioned those in another post regarding someone who has a hard drive that is failing and wanted to get data off of them.

FYI: Some DVD/CD/Blu-Ray applications like "K3b" have settings for error correction and skip read errors, like "cdparanoia", "dares", "dvdisaster", etc... to help with reading the contents of hard to read discs.

Clone HDD with bad sectors to another HDD
- has safecopy, ddrescue, etc... info and links
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=297829

Hope this helps ...
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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by BG405 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:35 pm

For badly scratched disks I find the toothpaste method to work quite well (as long as the foil layer is intact). Unfortunately, I have had to do this on disks I used to lend to a rellie .. they'd come back having been (routinely, it seems) rubbed on his T-shirt, things spilled on them, left on the floor and trod on, etc.. :x However, the stuff they use to polish car paint would be best. It takes time and care but in an extreme case such as this you'd be saving a significant amount of time & wear on your reader or burner when you do the copy.

I'll also add a +1 for Matera & phd21's recommendation for K3b. This is highly configurable & I like its "Paranoid Mode" for extracting data from less than perfect disks (or even apparently good ones, for archival purposes).

I'll have to give MakeMKV a go; I'm interested to see how it handles menus, chapters, subtitles etc.. Assuming it can also convert an already existing .ISO?
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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by carum carvi » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:03 pm

D Canard, you are a patient and dedicated guy! I am impressed by your experiment! I didnt know you were going to try to rip severely damaged dvd's. A fun experiment to read about though and thanks to your experiment I have learned about the existence of these other data read programs.

MakeMKV is especially suited to circumvent any given copy protection. As a bonus it also has a good chance of making frozen or lightly damaged dvd's playable again, after ripping. But it isnt made for that specific purpose though, it's just a positive side effect... :D

MakeMKV is firstmost an extra oridinary ripper that will circumvent any copy protection available for dvd's. Blue ray's are a different (much more difficult) story. MakeMKV can rip blue rays as well, but you need to look for a workaround additional software. The knowledgeable experienced user Phd21 will probably know about how to do that. :D

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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by BG405 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:02 pm

@ carum carvi: I think the reference was to region coding.

AFAIK Linux doesn't care about that; although my LG writer has previously been set to a specific region using Windows software. It will work with all of my DVDs regardless of their region setting with the appropriate software e.g. VLC, K3b.
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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by carum carvi » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:01 pm

BG405 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:02 pm
AFAIK Linux doesn't care about (region coding); although my LG writer has previously been set to a specific region using Windows software. It will work with all of my DVDs regardless of their region setting with the appropriate software e.g. VLC, K3b.
I am interested in your experience with region coding BG405. Similar to you I have enabled (in Windows) 1 specified region, but I have never tried/experienced that other dvd dedicated dvd regions could be played as well. Could you give more detailed information about this wonderfully nice info about "LInux not caring about region coding for dvd's"?

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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by BG405 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:39 pm

carum carvi wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:01 pm
Could you give more detailed information about this wonderfully nice info about "LInux not caring about region coding for dvd's"?
Maybe not detailed as such (at least not yet) .. however a test:

I have just now connected my LG optical drive & played sections of a couple of DVDs; one Region 1 and the other Region 2, with both VLC and smplayer. These both played with no issues.

Note: The former (VLC) handles the menus correctly on both, whereas smplayer just plays the titles, as expected.
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Re: Brasero Ripping Damaged DVD to ISO

Post by phd21 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:28 pm

Hi "carum carvi" and everyone else,

I do not have any DVD/Blu-Ray discs that are not region 1, so I cannot help with that.

But, I have a DVD player (not a burner writer) in my computer that would not play commercial DVD's without first setting the region code to 1 which was not set before. I also have an older LG external USB DVD burner writer that played my DVD's perfectly and its region code was set.

Some multi-media players (software applications) may play the discs regardless of its region code. But, if the region code is an issue, anyone could always get another DVD burner drive and set its region code to the one for their other set of discs and the primary DVD drive to the region code of their majority of discs. Keep in mind that most computer DVD and Blu-ray drives will only allow a few changes to the drive's region code before it locks in the last code permanently.

FYI: Recommend installing Totem, totem-plugins and right-clicking Totem and installing any recommended and suggested packages (show up as Videos in menus and DVD menus work with this usually).

FYI-2: Here are the instructions for installing current versions of SMplayer and MPV using a PPA method. I have been using this for years in Linux Mint 18.x and now 19.x

To install this using the PPA method, open a console terminal, type in, or copy & paste, each line below one by one: Click "Select All" above command, right click the highlighted command, select Copy (or Ctrl+Insert), click in the console terminal window, and right click paste ("Shift+Insert" or "Ctrl+Shift+v"), repeat for each command.

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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rvm/smplayer

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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mc3man/mpv-tests

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sudo apt-get update

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sudo apt-get install mpv smplayer smtube  youtube-dl
or for added smplayer themes and skins

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sudo apt-get install mpv smplayer smtube smplayer-themes smplayer-skins youtube-dl

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