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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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Marie SWE wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:14 pm
drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:49 pm But the real version of Firefox doesn't have a notifcation telling me that my browser is being managed by my organsiation.
Do you mean that the Update of the browser is controlled by Linux update and not Mozilla auto update?

The only way a computer is manage by an organization is if it is a work computer that the company IT department have the administration of.
Exactly. Which is something I want to avoid.
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drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:25 pmI'd rather have the Firefox from Mozilla, not the controlled one.
What is being controlled?
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:29 pm
Marie SWE wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:14 pm
drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:49 pm But the real version of Firefox doesn't have a notifcation telling me that my browser is being managed by my organsiation.
Do you mean that the Update of the browser is controlled by Linux update and not Mozilla auto update?

The only way a computer is manage by an organization is if it is a work computer that the company IT department have the administration of.
Exactly. Which is something I want to avoid.
what is the difference?
If you have auto updates in Linux Mint.. OR you have auto updates in firefox.. it becomes updated either way.
No one is controlling you.

I guess you are new from windows and is used to that windows let the apps update themselves. so that is the issue. not the update engine itself.
if you want my attention...quote me so I get a notification
Nothing is impossible, the impossible just takes a little longer to solve..
It is like it is.. because you do as you do.. if you hadn't done it as you did.. it wouldn't have become as it is. ;)
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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Here's an image of the problem.
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:02 pm Here's an image of the problem.
You're using Facebook? I deleted my account several years ago because they were controlling what I could see in my feed and not giving me the option to see what I wanted to see. Additionally, they are not good at keeping one's information private or secure. :(
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SMG wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:13 pm
drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:02 pm Here's an image of the problem.
You're using Facebook? I deleted my account several years ago because they were controlling what I could see in my feed and not giving me the option to see what I wanted to see. Additionally, they are not good at keeping one's information private or secure. :(

Wow - so helpful of you.

Anyway, I'm using Facebook container.
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:02 pm Here's an image of the problem.
You call it a problem. In my opinion it's just slightly weird wording. All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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There is really a problem, but the problem is not the controlling of the browser, but the really silly wording.

In the screenshot above one can read "controlled by your organization". Who is this organization? On a usually by one user used computer it is the user him-/her-self. But this silly wording makes this quite obvious fact somehow like voodoo. It does not provide any helpful information, but much misunderstanding and even mistrust. What would happen, if this silly sentence would not be written there: Simple answer: Nothing at all.

Even worse is the notification in the about window: updates deactivated by your system-administrator. This is not only misleading, it is simply wrong. The administrator is again usually the user and only in case of Alzheimer disease it would be understandable, if the user had forgotten, that (s)he did it. Actually the user did nothing. But giving a notice, which is for every person, who is able to read, wrong, can never lead into trust. So this notice is as well technically wrong as also from the point of social communication.

It would be so easy to write instead: Updates get automatically handled by the system. That would be honest and the (very most) users would not get nervous.
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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Moem wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:46 am
drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:02 pm Here's an image of the problem.
You call it a problem. In my opinion it's just slightly weird wording. All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
I'm not sure now, but there were some features I couldn't access on the 'managed' version.

For one, 'Updates are disabled by your administrator'.
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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drrummer wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:34 am there were some features I couldn't access on the 'managed' version.
Which?
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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drrummer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:02 pm Here's an image of the problem.
I don't see a problem in your image. What I do see is the same badly worded misleading phrase about management of the browser that we all have in Firefox, the true meaning of which has been explained several times already. It's unfortunate that Mint has not rewritten that phrase but eventually it will be changed. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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drrummer wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:34 am
Moem wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:46 am In my opinion it's just slightly weird wording. All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
I'm not sure now, but there were some features I couldn't access on the 'managed' version.
As long as you can't tell us what they were, we can't help in any way.
For one, 'Updates are disabled by your administrator'.
As above: All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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Moem wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:01 am
drrummer wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:34 am
Moem wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:46 am In my opinion it's just slightly weird wording. All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
I'm not sure now, but there were some features I couldn't access on the 'managed' version.
As long as you can't tell us what they were, we can't help in any way.
For one, 'Updates are disabled by your administrator'.
As above: All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
Because I would prefer to manage the updates.

Anyway - my questions is not about the problems it causes, it is where it is located. I am trying to distinguish between the two versions. Everytime I open Gerbera, it opens in the Linux version. I have deleted various files in attempt to rid the machine of it, but it continues to open.
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Moem wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:01 am All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
Because myself I sometime noticed several days of latence before FF “Mint” updates when Mozilla ones existed for all OSes. When updates are often about security.

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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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drrummer wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:04 am Because I would prefer to manage the updates.
How exactly do you imagine to do that?
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drrummer wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:04 amBecause I would prefer to manage the updates.
You do manage the updates. The updates come through to Update Manager and YOU get to decide whether to apply them or not. That is the way it has always been and nothing changed.

There is no difference between you accepting and applying the updates which come through Update Manager and you accepting and applying the updates which come through Firefox. You are in charge in both cases.

I've been having issues with all versions of Firefox since version 102 and have been ignoring the notifications in Update Manager to install a newer version, because I'm in control. That little wording notice at the top of my browser changed nothing.

(Note: I'm running regression tests right now to help the Firefox programmers find the problem.)
drrummer wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:04 amAnyway - my questions is not about the problems it causes, it is where it is located.
You have not described any problems that Firefox is causing.

If you are having problems with Gerbera, then you should create a topic asking about Gerbera. I am not familiar with Gerbera.
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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LoVache wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:07 am
Moem wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:01 am All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
Because myself I sometime noticed several days of latence before FF “Mint” updates when Mozilla ones existed for all OSes. When updates are often about security.
That is not related at all to the wording in the browser. Updates for Firefox coming through Update Manager have always lagged the official version. Currently, the lag is smaller than what it was in the past because Linux Mint is no longer making changes to Firefox like it did in the past.

What you are describing is not related to the OP's concern.
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SMG wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:46 am
drrummer wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:04 amBecause I would prefer to manage the updates.
You do manage the updates. The updates come through to Update Manager and YOU get to decide whether to apply them or not. That is the way it has always been and nothing changed.

There is no difference between you accepting and applying the updates which come through Update Manager and you accepting and applying the updates which come through Firefox. You are in charge in both cases.

I've been having issues with all versions of Firefox since version 102 and have been ignoring the notifications in Update Manager to install a newer version, because I'm in control. That little wording notice at the top of my browser changed nothing.

(Note: I'm running regression tests right now to help the Firefox programmers find the problem.)
drrummer wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:04 amAnyway - my questions is not about the problems it causes, it is where it is located.
You have not described any problems that Firefox is causing.

If you are having problems with Gerbera, then you should create a topic asking about Gerbera. I am not familiar with Gerbera.

I'll explain one more time:

1. The Linux Firefox tells me that updates are managed by my organisation. The option to check or perform updates is greyed out. That is the problem. I'm not even part of an organisation in this instance.
2. Gerbera isn't the problem, it is opening in Linux Firefox by default. This I'm sure if changeable in Gerbera settings. The issue is that Linux Firefox is still on my machine for Gerbera to be able to open it. I want to REMOVE LINUX FIREFOX from my machine.
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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SMG wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:50 am
LoVache wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:07 am
Moem wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:01 am All it means is that your updates for Firefox come through the Mint updater system. Why would that be a problem?
Because myself I sometime noticed several days of latence before FF “Mint” updates when Mozilla ones existed for all OSes. When updates are often about security.
That is not related at all to the wording in the browser. Updates for Firefox coming through Update Manager have always lagged the official version. Currently, the lag is smaller than what it was in the past because Linux Mint is no longer making changes to Firefox like it did in the past.

What you are describing is not related to the OP's concern.

It absolutely is related. Because Linux insist on managing that version of Firefox, then there are lags with updates, however small they might be.
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Re: Linux Firefox v Official Firefox

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SMG wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:50 am Updates for Firefox coming through Update Manager have always lagged the official version.
I prefer the wording "version compiled by Mozilla". As long as nobody proofs the contrary Mozilla as well as Mint compile from the same source code. It is a principle of open source, than the source code is available for everybody (for altering or simply compiling). Out of this reason is a "switch" from the Linux FF to the Official FF an imagination, it is a switch from A to A.

Out of this reason I wrote here that both are as official as the other, so something like a Linux FF vs. Official FF is simply wrong. It would be as if you would say, only a FF compiled by Mozilla member Q is the real one, and the compilation by R is not.
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