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LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by SyncroScales » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:42 pm

Hello,

I installed LMMS onto Linux Mint Cinnamon 64-bit 18.2. But LMMS is not in the Menu. I have tried to install it a few times. Software Manager shows no green checkmark for LMMS. LMMS-common (the extra files) were installed more than once and show as installed. Other music, video, CD/DVD burning programs show up.

Can I look somewhere it is installed? Linux has a different set of directories than Windows, there isn't a Program Files folder it's called something else.

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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by powerwagon75 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:02 am

Odd. Maybe something different between 18 and 18.2, but I just tried it out, and it installed fine.

For location, you can type lmms in to Nemo's search bar, and wait for search results to return. Should see many things lmms-related. The executable is in the /usr/bin folder, simply named "lmms." My results returned 5 folders/50 items.
(To get a quick count on your return results, just push Ctl+A, and read totals on the bottom bar.)

ps.. it also shows up in Menu, under Sound & Video.
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by SyncroScales » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:31 am

Not in usr/bin

Nemo search bar? In the Menu at the top? Nothing. Sound and Video, nothing.

Maybe they have not updated something with a Level 4 update to the kernel?
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by powerwagon75 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:48 am

If it doesn't seem to be installed at all, try installing one more time, then right away go look at your/var/log/dpkg.log, at the tail end, and read through the details. Also, look at /var/log/apt/history.log, at the tail end, and see what the summary of the install attempt says. Should also be able to see the installation progress log in the tail end of /var/log/apt/term.log.
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by SyncroScales » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:22 pm

I have re-intalled more than once. Nothing in the menu.

I do nto have permission to access the log's. How do I access them?
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by powerwagon75 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:19 pm

Can you open any log and read it (they will normally open in read-only mode)? For example, can you open/read /var/log/sys.log, or /var/log/kern.log? If not, then perhaps you have some permissions issues.

Is your User Account Type a Standard User, or Administrator?

What groups does your user account belong to (ie; "adm", "sudo"). Go to Menu --> Administration --> Users & Groups to look and see.
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Can you run this--> ls -l /var/log in terminal, and post results back in a Code box?

Here's a snippet from a /var/log list; yours should be similar, with respect to the permissions on the left, the owners, and groups.

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.....snipped...
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm      1015352 Jan 30 16:46 kern.log
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm      5184596 Jan 28 00:26 kern.log.1
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm       611938 Jan 22 07:34 kern.log.2.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm       416493 Jan 14 07:34 kern.log.3.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm       393402 Jan  7 07:34 kern.log.4.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root              utmp      294336 Jan 25 20:04 lastlog
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm            0 Jan 29 06:25 mail.err
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm         3607 Jan 23 08:09 mail.err.1
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm          830 Jan 20 23:29 mail.err.2.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm         9964 Jan 30 16:00 mail.log
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm       422206 Jan 29 00:00 mail.log.1
....snipped...
example...
-rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 0 Jan 29 06:25 mail.err
First three characters= permissions for the user that owns the file, second three characters= permissions for members of the group that owns the file, third set of three characters are permissions for all other users on the system. The r-- in blue means you can read them, if you belong to group "adm".

Hopefully this isn't going off in a totally wrong direction, but it's peculiar that you can't read log files. By the way, I'm guessing you've not had issues installing other programs? Have you tried creating a different user, and logging in/installing the LMMS program?

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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by SyncroScales » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:42 pm

Only me and a guest account at this time. Administrator, groups: adm, cdrom, dip, lpadmin, plugdev, sambashare, sudo

I double clicked the log files. Should I be using the terminal?
All other programs worked, and extra packages or add-ons. All other audio-video prograams worked.
I don't know how to make those Code boxes for the forums, how can I?
I understand the idea about permissions, someone gave me a YouTube channel in another post. But I need to learn a little more to set everything.

ls -l /var/log

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total 5524
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    2291 Jan 24 15:09 alternatives.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    1289 Dec 31 20:12 alternatives.log.1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    4444 Nov 20 01:23 alternatives.log.2.gz
drwxr-xr-x 2 root              root    4096 Jan  9 13:25 apt
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root       0 Dec  1 05:43 aptitude
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root     226 Jun 28  2017 aptitude.1.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    11771 Jan 30 16:37 auth.log
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    68729 Jan 30 10:03 auth.log.1
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm     2934 Jan 22 10:36 auth.log.2.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm     4578 Jan 17 03:41 auth.log.3.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm     3654 Jan  9 13:25 auth.log.4.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    3884 Jan 30 15:34 boot.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root   60969 Jun 28  2017 bootstrap.log
-rw------- 1 root              utmp     768 Jan 30 10:01 btmp
-rw------- 1 root              utmp     768 Jan  9 09:05 btmp.1
drwxr-xr-x 2 root              root    4096 Oct 24  2015 chkrootkit
drwxr-xr-x 2 root              root    4096 Jan  9 13:25 ConsoleKit
drwxr-xr-x 2 root              root    4096 Jan 30 10:06 cups
-rw-r----- 1 root              adm       31 Jun 28  2017 dmesg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root  349591 Jan 29 20:18 dpkg.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root  248473 Dec 31 20:41 dpkg.log.1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root  167827 Dec  1 05:42 dpkg.log.2.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root   32032 Nov 19 22:17 faillog
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    6840 Nov 20 01:23 fontconfig.log
drwxr-xr-x 2 root              root    4096 Jun 28  2017 fsck
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    1966 Jan 30 15:34 gpu-manager.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root      40 Nov 19 22:45 gufw.log
drwxr-xr-x 3 root              root    4096 Jun 28  2017 hp
drwxr-xr-x 2 root              root    4096 Nov 19 22:23 installer
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm   370017 Jan 30 16:40 kern.log
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm  1379261 Jan 30 10:06 kern.log.1
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm   123567 Jan 22 10:36 kern.log.2.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm   190586 Jan 17 03:43 kern.log.3.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    30066 Jan  9 13:25 kern.log.4.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root              utmp  292292 Nov 19 22:17 lastlog
drwxr-xr-x 2 root              root    4096 Jan 30 10:06 lightdm
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    2595 Jan 30 15:35 mintsystem.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root     783 Nov 19 23:23 mintsystem.timestamps
drwxr-xr-x 2 ntp               ntp     4096 Apr  5  2017 ntpstats
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    2550 Jan 22 10:56 pm-powersave.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root    8202 Jan 22 10:56 pm-suspend.log
drwxr-x--- 2 root              adm     4096 May 20  2017 samba
drwx------ 2 speech-dispatcher root    4096 Feb 18  2016 speech-dispatcher
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm   470623 Jan 30 16:40 syslog
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm   737936 Jan 30 10:06 syslog.1
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    30645 Jan 29 09:38 syslog.2.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm   111562 Jan 26 10:35 syslog.3.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    67298 Jan 24 12:54 syslog.4.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    55449 Jan 22 10:36 syslog.5.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    46980 Jan 20 16:27 syslog.6.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    55177 Jan 19 04:27 syslog.7.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm   152546 Jan 30 16:40 ufw.log
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm   395519 Jan 30 10:06 ufw.log.1
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    57149 Jan 22 10:36 ufw.log.2.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm    27033 Jan 17 03:43 ufw.log.3.gz
-rw-r----- 1 syslog            adm     5157 Jan  9 13:24 ufw.log.4.gz
drwxr-xr-x 2 root              root    4096 May 19  2016 upstart
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root              utmp   56448 Jan 30 15:37 wtmp
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root              utmp   17664 Jan  9 09:05 wtmp.1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root   41110 Jan 30 15:35 Xorg.0.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root              root   41863 Jan 30 15:22 Xorg.0.log.old
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by powerwagon75 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:25 pm

You should be able to right-click on them, and open with TextEditor or gedit if you have it. Alternatively, while in the /var/log folder, you can right-click, and then select "open in terminal." Do a ls command in terminal to see contents list of folders/files. Then, try sudo xed dpkg.log, (or whatever file you want to view) enter your password, and see if it will open that way. You should be able to read these log files. Afraid I'm running out of ideas here, other than trying to install LMMS on a new user account with proper rights. Your permissions lists appears correct.
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by SyncroScales » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:28 pm

I will try what you are saying powerwagon75 and post the results after.

I was wondering about the permissions lists from a newbie perspective. Is my system currently more vulnerable and should I change some of the permissions? From what videos I watched and what I read, I think I should limit everyone, all other esxtra accoutns and everything down to read and write (unless default is only read), except the administrator(s). Any suggestions or tips?
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by powerwagon75 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:06 pm

The system permissions in Linux Mint have very reasonable settings, and as such should not normally need to be modified.

Do you plan on having a lot of users on your machine that you don't know/trust? For maximum user privacy, you can follow the excerpt below to change individual users permissions to 700 (users can only access their own home folders)

For /home/your_users:

...home directories- The users' home directories are important because you do not want other users to be able to view and modify the files in another user's documents of desktop. To remedy this you will want the directory to have the drwx______ (700) permissions, so lets say we want to enforce the correct permissions on the user user1's home directory that can be done by issuing the command chmod 700 /home/user1....
(from this webpage: https://www.linux.com/learn/understandi ... ermissions )

If the other potential users are just ordinary users (browsing, file editing, email, etc...and not installing software programs), then in Menu --> Administration --> Users & Groups you can also, per-user as you see fit, make sure they are Standard users, and ensure that sudo is not listed in their Groups.
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by phd21 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:48 pm

Hi "SyncroScales",

As you already know "LMMS " is in the Software Manager or Synaptic Package Manager (SPM), but you can also download their AppImage file from the link below.

LMMS • Download
https://lmms.io/download/#linux

I do not know why LMMS does not show up in your menus, but you can remove it completely (purge it), then reinstall it.


Hope this helps ...
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by dagon » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:50 pm

phd21 wrote:...but you can also download their AppImage file from the link below.

LMMS • Download
https://lmms.io/download/#linux
This is the correct answer. I'm one of the lmms developers (used to be a mod here, years ago...).
lmms-1.2 is almost done baking and the Beta, currently lmms-1.2.0-rc5, is more stable than 1.1.3 which is in most linux repoitories.

I also recommend installing appimaged which is a daemon that detects AppImages and ensures they show up in the menu.
https://discourse.appimage.org/t/new-ap ... -system/87

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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by powerwagon75 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm

Thank you for jumping in guys! :D
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by Joe2Shoe » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:18 pm

After installing, reboot. Some apps don't show up in the Menu until you reboot.
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by SyncroScales » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:55 pm

Joe2Shoe: Yes. I do this.

phd21: Thank you. I'll check it out.

dagon: I will give this a try. Does my situation have anything to do with a more recent kernel I have updated and Linux Mint Cinnamon 18.2? Or just the beta you mention and the repositories?

powerwagon75: Currently I am the only user on my machine. I am thinking about security issues and how I might have to install TeamView onto someone's machine and what I will have to do when I setup my profile (or theirs) to make it easier to access and update or fix their system. And to be able to double check someone system if I help them install Linux.
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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by phd21 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:03 pm

Hi

1.) For LMMS the developer is recommending downloading and using the AppImage file because they are updating that.

2.)
SyncroScales wrote: Currently I am the only user on my machine. I am thinking about security issues and how I might have to install TeamView onto someone's machine and what I will have to do when I setup my profile (or theirs) to make it easier to access and update or fix their system. And to be able to double check someone system if I help them install Linux.
There is a recent post on using Teamviewer's archive file as a portable option which workes great! Teamviewer is superb and one of, if not, the best remote control application available.

Alternatives to TeamViewer
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=262529

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Re: LMMS not showing up in Menu.

Post by dagon » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:19 pm

SyncroScales wrote:dagon: I will give this a try. Does my situation have anything to do with a more recent kernel I have updated and Linux Mint Cinnamon 18.2? Or just the beta you mention and the repositories?
I don't know. I haven't heard of any menu issues recently. I have lmms-1.1.3 installed from the Ubuntu repositories and it works just fine.

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