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is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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Installed LM19 beta on VM and was following this thread viewtopic.php?f=49&t=271680

and wondering about LM19 reporting drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED: modesetting

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$ inxi -Fxd
System:    Host: john-VirtualBox Kernel: 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64
           bits: 64 gcc: 7.3.0
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.8.6 (Gtk 3.22.30-1ubuntu1)
           Distro: Linux Mint 19 Tara
Machine:   Device: oracle System: innotek product: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: N/A
           Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: N/A
           BIOS: innotek v: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
Battery    BAT0: charge: 50.0 Wh 100.0% condition: 50.0/50.0 Wh (100%)
           model: innotek 1 status: Discharging
CPU:       Single core Intel Core i3-4030U (-UP-) 
           arch: Haswell rev.1 cache: 3072 KB
           
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3) bmips: 3791 speed: 1895 MHz (max)
Graphics:  Card: InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 )
           drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED: modesetting
           Resolution: 1288x659@59.97hz
           OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 6.0, 256 bits)
           version: 3.3 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5 Direct Render: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller
           driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: d100 d200 bus-ID: 00:05.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.15.0-20-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: e1000 v: 7.3.21-k8-NAPI port: d010 bus-ID: 00:03.0
           IF: enp0s3 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full
           mac: 08:00:27:69:69:bf
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 21.5GB (35.5% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: VBOX_HARDDISK size: 21.5GB
           Optical-1: /dev/sr0 model: VBOX CD-ROM rev: 1.0 dev-links: cdrom
           Features: speed: 32x multisession: yes
           audio: yes dvd: yes rw: none state: running
           Optical-2: /dev/sr1 model: VBOX CD-ROM rev: 1.0 dev-links: dvd
           Features: speed: 32x multisession: yes
           audio: yes dvd: yes rw: none state: running
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 7.2G (39%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 154 Uptime: 53 min Memory: 1075.8/5457.1MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 7.3.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.4.191) inxi: 2.3.56
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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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Did you install the VirtuaBox Guest Additions after install of Mint, which includes the VB 3D video driver. Also, do you have the Video setting in VB Manager for the guest set for 3D Acceleratiom. If you're new to VB, you normally install the Guest Additions for Guest Machines. It has all the drivers you need for the "VIRTUAL HARDWARE" of the Guest.

The Failed on modesetting is normal in the sense that the error appears to operate around a failure to load/unload the module after use. If you run the following command from Terminal, you'll see what I'm seeing. The command checks the the current Xorg log for "modesetting". You can copy-paste back the results for further checking.

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grep modesetting /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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No, just setup VB and installed LM19

figured I would get the Guest Additions later when it "became necessary"....

I suppose 'necessary' is immediately, huh? :roll:

do I install Guest Additions from the host, or from the VB and download it from within VB?
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Actually, the Guest Additions is bundled with VB. You can install from the Guest Machine.....look at the top panel menu on started machine for "Devices" and select "Insert Guest Additions CD image..." and "Run" the install.
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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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ClixTrix wrote:
Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:39 pm
Actually, the Guest Additions is bundled with VB. You can install from the Guest Machine.....look at the top panel menu on started machine for "Devices" and select "Insert Guest Additions CD image..." and "Run" the install.
It would nice if Oracle would state that.

I looked and looked and couldn't find how to download or how to install.

clicked on devices and let run.
shows 3D now.

it still shows Modesetting in inxi though

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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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...AZgl1500 => https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#idm1873
While the virtual graphics card which VirtualBox emulates for any guest operating system provides all the basic features, the custom video drivers that are installed with the Guest Additions provide you with extra high and non-standard video modes as well as accelerated video performance.
Ie. what ClixTrix suggested (=that's pretty much all there is to it)...
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Rebooted VB several times and message does not appear now.
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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:12 pm
it still shows Modesetting in inxi though
Yeah, I see it on mine too.

The more annoying problem is the washed-out background image with 3D enabled. If I toggle to another background, it goes away for the remainder of the VB session. Not happening with Mint 19 Xfce guest, just Mint 19 Cinnamon guest. Not sure if it's a VB or Cinnamon bug. Here's a screenshot.

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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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...AZgl1500, your screen above shows: Video Memory 16 MB.
This means the performance you'll get won't really be optimal - try increasing it.

Furthermore => https://askubuntu.com/questions/943110/ ... virtualbox
That is VirtualBox's maximum limit. Ie. no matter how great and / or expensive someone's card is,
and no matter what inxi & other diagnostic tools might say or not, that's simply how far it goes...It's just emulated.
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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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Hi AZgl1500,

Don't know if this helps, but just for some information, I have 18.3 Xfce installed as a virtual machine and guest additions were applied when I created the machine. See Graphics: section.

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$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: jerry-VirtualBox Kernel: 4.13.0-45-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.28) Distro: Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia
Machine:   System: innotek (portable) product: VirtualBox v: 1.2
           Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2
           Bios: innotek v: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-2520M (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3) bmips: 9977
           clock speeds: max: 2494 MHz 1: 2494 MHz 2: 2494 MHz
Graphics:  Card: InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: vboxvideo (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1600x789@59.93hz
           GLX Renderer: Chromium
           GLX Version: 2.1 Chromium 1.9 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller
           driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: d100 d200 bus-ID: 00:05.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-45-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: e1000 v: 7.3.21-k8-NAPI port: d010 bus-ID: 00:03.0
           IF: enp0s3 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 17.2GB (52.3% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: VBOX_HARDDISK size: 17.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 14G used: 6.6G (51%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.05GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 159 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 308.4/3945.1MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35 
One other thing I noticed is that you allotted 16 MB for memory. You might want to give it the maximum allowed, seeing that you have the available memory to do so.

As a comparison, this is my actual computer's inxi -Fxz:

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$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: HP-EliteBook-8460p Kernel: 4.4.0-122-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.6.7 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3) Distro: Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard (portable) product: HP EliteBook 8460p v: A0001D02
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 161C v: KBC Version 97.4E
           Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: 68SCF Ver. F.65 date: 04/06/2017
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-2520M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9977
           clock speeds: max: 3200 MHz 1: 817 MHz 2: 857 MHz 3: 898 MHz 4: 815 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1600x900@59.90hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.2.4 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-122-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 4060 bus-ID: 00:19.0
           IF: enp0s25 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi bus-ID: 24:00.0
           IF: wlo1 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (67.8% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HTS72323 size: 320.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 13G (71%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: /home size: 266G used: 182G (73%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.59GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0C mobo: 0.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 242 Uptime: 30 min Memory: 1458.6/7893.0MB Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35 
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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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JerryF wrote:
Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:51 pm
Hi AZgl1500,

Don't know if this helps, but just for some information, I have 18.3 Xfce installed as a virtual machine and guest additions were applied when I created the machine. See Graphics: section.

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$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: jerry-VirtualBox Kernel: 4.13.0-45-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.28) Distro: Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia
Machine:   System: innotek (portable) product: VirtualBox v: 1.2
           Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2
           Bios: innotek v: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-2520M (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3) bmips: 9977
           clock speeds: max: 2494 MHz 1: 2494 MHz 2: 2494 MHz
Graphics:  Card: InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: vboxvideo (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1600x789@59.93hz
           GLX Renderer: Chromium
           GLX Version: 2.1 Chromium 1.9 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller
           driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: d100 d200 bus-ID: 00:05.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-45-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: e1000 v: 7.3.21-k8-NAPI port: d010 bus-ID: 00:03.0
           IF: enp0s3 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 17.2GB (52.3% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: VBOX_HARDDISK size: 17.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 14G used: 6.6G (51%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.05GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 159 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 308.4/3945.1MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35 
One other thing I noticed is that you allotted 16 MB for memory. You might want to give it the maximum allowed, seeing that you have the available memory to do so.

As a comparison, this is my actual computer's inxi -Fxz:

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$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: HP-EliteBook-8460p Kernel: 4.4.0-122-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.6.7 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3) Distro: Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard (portable) product: HP EliteBook 8460p v: A0001D02
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 161C v: KBC Version 97.4E
           Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: 68SCF Ver. F.65 date: 04/06/2017
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-2520M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9977
           clock speeds: max: 3200 MHz 1: 817 MHz 2: 857 MHz 3: 898 MHz 4: 815 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1600x900@59.90hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.2.4 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-122-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 4060 bus-ID: 00:19.0
           IF: enp0s25 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi bus-ID: 24:00.0
           IF: wlo1 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (67.8% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HTS72323 size: 320.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 13G (71%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: /home size: 266G used: 182G (73%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.59GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0C mobo: 0.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 242 Uptime: 30 min Memory: 1458.6/7893.0MB Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35 
With Mint 19 Xfce and Guest Additions installed, this is what I get.

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$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: danno-VirtualBox Kernel: 4.15.0-23-generic x86_64
           bits: 64 gcc: 7.3.0
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.31) Distro: Linux Mint 19 Tara
Machine:   Device: oracle System: innotek product: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: N/A
           Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: N/A
           BIOS: innotek v: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
CPU:       6 core AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core (-MCP-) 
           arch: Zen rev.1 cache: 3072 KB
           
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3) bmips: 38327
           clock speeds: max: 3193 MHz 1: 3193 MHz 2: 3193 MHz 3: 3193 MHz
           4: 3193 MHz 5: 3193 MHz 6: 3193 MHz
Graphics:  Card: InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 )
           drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED: modesetting
           Resolution: 1280x949@59.97hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Chromium
           version: 2.1 Chromium 1.9 Direct Render: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller
           driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: d100 d200 bus-ID: 00:05.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.15.0-23-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: e1000 v: 7.3.21-k8-NAPI port: d010 bus-ID: 00:03.0
           IF: enp0s3 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 26.8GB (29.1% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: VBOX_HARDDISK size: 26.8GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 25G used: 7.3G (32%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 195 Uptime: 0 min Memory: 381.1/3944.2MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 7.3.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.4.191) inxi: 2.3.56 
I should note that I'm running VB 5.1.38, not VB 5.2.

Edit: I also have check lsmod and the vboxvideo driver is loaded.
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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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ClixTrix, the discrepancy between XFCE & Cinnamon's rendering under VB, would most likely be the result of Cinnamon using (or trying to use) 3d acceleration (which furthermore VB might or might not be able of handling correctly).
For the inxi reports, i'll simply reiterate that they don't really mean much (since graphics are emulated in the first place)...
It's more of WYSIWYG (if it looks ok, fine...if not, tweak the VB settings until satisfied).
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Re: is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware ?

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AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:24 pm
is the Graphics adapter reported in VM, representative of the Hardware?
It seems that the answer to your question is no. The graphics are not reflected to what is on the host machine.

For your virtual machine not having a driver (which should be vboxvideo), I'm wondering if it's got to do with 19 Tara still being beta? Only a guess.
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to all,

LM19 quit complaining about the video mode, but the inxi is still like it was under VB.

I did note one thing that is somewhat troubling.
The shutdown time for LM19 to quit increased by an order of magnitude, compared to what it was before I made the attempts to fix the video adapter.

Wondering if now that I know how to get it done properly, if I should remove the current VB LM19 install and do it again fresh?

One other item; when I clicked on Devices and installed Guest Additions that way, it created a Virtual CD-DVD disk and planted it on the Desktop, which takes away from the nice clean screen look that I had put up.

Have others noted that? I tried to point it at the Guest Additions in /Download/VB so that the .iso would remain hidden from view.

I am glad to have VB available to use to experiment with the beta releases, I don't have a truly spare laptop laying around to just use for that purpose. although, I am going to make a run into the pawn shops and see if anything is there for a decent price.
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My comment on LM19 be extremely slow to shutdown, I believe that I have tracked that down to the fact that Timeshift was creating a new backup in the background.... I had just previously did all of the upgrades which included the new kernel.

I am now on my Dell Inspiron N5010 laptop checking it out to get it ready as a Family Loaner.
Ran upgrades and the new kernel was included.....

as per my habit, I make Timeshift backups before and after every major change, but when I tried to bring up Timeshift, I got a message that it was already running and a "new instance" was not allowed....
I went straight to System Monitor and it caught a few instanced of the CPU being extremely busy, nearly maxing out at 100% on cpu1 and cpu4, then it dropped back down near normal again.

okay, I didn't start Timeshift, so the system did in the background.
that triggered my mind to go back to the LM19 being slow to shutdown.....
thinking now that LM19 is going to be slow to shutdown once in a while, and we better just wait it out until everything finishes up.
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When you've completed the Guest Additions install, just right-mouse-click on the CD Icon and select "Eject".
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AZgl1500 wrote:
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I am glad to have VB available to use to experiment with the beta releases, I don't have a truly spare laptop laying around to just use for that purpose. although, I am going to make a run into the pawn shops and see if anything is there for a decent price.
Try www.tigerdirect.com The have some great refurbished laptops usually $250 and under. That's how I got my Hp EliteBook 8460p.
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JerryF wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:40 pm

Try www.tigerdirect.com The have some great refurbished laptops usually $250 and under. That's how I got my Hp EliteBook 8460p.

Looked at several there, am sorely tempted with this one: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... 43316&Sku=


this one looks like a nice buy also: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... 43310&Sku=


the screen is too small on this one, which means the keyboard would be cramped: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... 94020&Sku=


The thing I don't like about Dell, is the power connector is on the rear of the laptop, and it keeps getting unplugged, like several times a day on my Dell N5010 ( the one I am going to make a Family Loaner out of. Have a 500gB SSD to drop in it, and a new display to replace the badly cracked one )
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In my opinion, for what you want to use the spare for (testing betas), I'd wait for something less expensive.

There are many others that come through in groups (mine was from a lot of rental HPs that a company no longer needed) and much cheaper than the ones you've looked at.

Keep your eye out and subscribe to their emails so that you can get notified of what's available. That's how I found mine.

Unit Price: $278.49
Shipping & Handling: $8.78
Total: $287.27

The only thing I added was more memory (from 4 GB to 8 GB)
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