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[SOLVED] Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by SyncroScales » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:06 pm

Hello,

I do not know where to post this in the forum, it's not about Linux.

I was wondering if anyone can tell me what this old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector is. I need to get an internal adaptor or external usb type of adaptor to recover and transfer the old data from it. The old Dell laptop or netbook keeps shutting off.

It is not a SCSI or SATA. It does not seem like PATA. The hdd is 2.5", and there are no pins. I think those are contacts. A video I watched said there is probably an adaptor on-top of the IDE pins. But I tried to remove a plastic part and it will not come off. I have not opened the 2.5" hdd to remove anything.

There are only 4 pins on the right, but the other parts are flat and gold (the contacts?). The black thing underneath is a usb adaptor for hdd's that have pins and this hdd will not fit into there.

Thanks.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by Larry78723 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:01 pm

Can you give a detailed Model number so it can be researched?
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by warpz0ne » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:00 pm

As a former computer tech, we would sometimes see 2.5" HDDs that used a connection adapter to fit into their designated laptop space. The HDD would drop down into place to make the connection, rather than the normal way. I think I saw this with both IDE and SATA drives. It is my sneaking suspicion that this is what you have.

Please post another photo so we can see the underside of the HDD/connector. It may be an adapter that you can pull off from the real connector.

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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by SyncroScales » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:54 am

Hello,

Here are some screenshots of the contacts.

I think I could open the HDD and take the whole thing apart, but that would wreck the drive? What if dust gets on there?

This link for these cables will not connect as I showed one in the original post. 18in Dual Drive Ultra ATA IDE Hard Drive Cable: https://www.startech.com/Cables/Drive/I ... able~IDE66

An adapter like this link for a USB2 or a USB3 one with the proper instructions for not using power with 2.5" HDD's (to prevent cooking/burning the small drives that are self-powered) will not work either. https://www.newegg.com/vantec-cb-isatau ... 6812232002

Laptop:
Dell Presario R3000
p/n: PR475UA#ABL
Canadian model
R3440CA
Windows XP
Designed by HP
Made in 2000-2004

Any advice or terminology?

Thanks.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by athi » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:33 am

SyncroScales wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:54 am
Hello,

Here are some screenshots of the contacts.

I think I could open the HDD and take the whole thing apart, but that would wreck the drive? What if dust gets on there?

This link for these cables will not connect as I showed one in the original post. 18in Dual Drive Ultra ATA IDE Hard Drive Cable: https://www.startech.com/Cables/Drive/I ... able~IDE66

An adapter like this link for a USB2 or a USB3 one with the proper instructions for not using power with 2.5" HDD's (to prevent cooking/burning the small drives that are self-powered) will not work either. https://www.newegg.com/vantec-cb-isatau ... 6812232002

Laptop:
Dell Presario R3000
p/n: PR475UA#ABL
Canadian model
R3440CA
Windows XP
Designed by HP
Made in 2000-2004

Any advice or terminology?

Thanks.
You have a Seagate 2.5" PATA 80GB HDD https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST980815 ... B001R4BBUG

Do not open the HDD unless you know what you are doing, otherwise that would destroy the data on the HDD.

The problem is these 2.5" PATA HDD are not compatible with standard desktop PATA connectors or Molex 4 pins power connectors (voltage, pin out etc.). You can get an adapter like this https://www.amazon.com/QNINE-Laptop-Des ... B01NCKWU4D that would allow you to plug your 2.5" PATA to desktop hardware.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by SyncroScales » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:11 am

Hello,

athi those do not work. I have a USB adapter that accepts the pins. These are FLAT contacts, not pins. There are not two rows of pins. Each set of pins that are above each other do not have a space. It is one flat piece of metal. I am sure the pictures show that. I provided the links that I said not the pins for the PATA hdd or adapter.

Need another picture?

Any other suggestions?
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by athi » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:20 am

That is all I have for connecting 2.5" PATA to a desktop to allow transfer the data. These adapters converts 2.5" PATA 44 (40+4 power) pins to standard 3.5" PATA 40 pins connector and 4 pins power jack. Your 2nd set of pictures are of the 2.5" PATA HDD with adapter to fit the laptop connectors. Once you remove the adaptor (carefully to prevent bending pins), you will have the 44+4 pins at the same height.
Pinouts for 2.5" PATA HDD, notice 44 (40+4 power) +4 jumper pins.
http://www.paulski.com/zpages.php?id=1717

The picture below is your HDD with adapter to connect to laptop. Please notice the 4 recessed jumper pins.
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This is the picture of bare hdd, please noticed all 44+4 jumper pins are the same height.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by SyncroScales » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 am

Ok, how to remove the adapter? It was recommended to not open the hdd. I looked for screws, but they seem to open the whole pata drive.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by athi » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:00 am

SyncroScales wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 am
Ok, how to remove the adapter? It was recommended to not open the hdd. I looked for screws, but they seem to open the whole pata drive.
It is friction fitted like the fittings on the PATA ribbon cables, pull straight out by hand or plier, try not to wiggle side to side/up and down too much to avoid bending the pins. Some of these could be fairly tight.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by SyncroScales » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:25 am

It is tight. I could not get it off. I will try again.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by athi » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:33 am

Some of these are a PITA to remove.

May have to alternate pulling from each end and work the adapter loose, try not to bounce the HDD around too much during all these fun activities.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by SyncroScales » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:18 am

I did get the adapter off. I will mark this as solved and upload a screenshot later.

The adapter is plastic. It slides onto the pins and they are not bent.

I tried regular pliers and a different type. Maybe be careful about the needle-nose type.

Did any HDD's or any kind of storage get made that was not SCSI, IDE/PATA or SATA? Custom could have been made.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Old laptop or netbook hard-drive connector.

Post by athi » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:04 am

SyncroScales wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:18 am
I did get the adapter off. I will mark this as solved and upload a screenshot later.

The adapter is plastic. It slides onto the pins and they are not bent.

I tried regular pliers and a different type. Maybe be careful about the needle-nose type.

Did any HDD's or any kind of storage get made that was not SCSI, IDE/PATA or SATA? Custom could have been made.

Thanks for the help.
For regular PC internal use PATA, SATA used to be it but now you have M.2, PCIe SSD also. HDD conforms to an industry standard that OEM don't really mess with. OEM do mess with firmware and adapters. Not really sure why, but PATA extensions for laptop HDD like you just removed is fairly common.

Thanks for letting us know that you got the extension off so you can recover your data.
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