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[SOLVED] 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by Tortugaverde » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:48 am

Installed 19.2 (2 weeks ago) on an early 2011 MacBook Pro (Core i5 2.3GHz) 13" (I5-2415M) Model A1278 (EMC 2419). 4GB RAM, 384MB VRAM, 320GB HDD. I have been searching the boards, but don't see my specific issue represented so here we go.

Laptop has overheating and freezing issues (and when frozen you can hear the fan cranking in overdrive). When putting the lid down for the night, when I come back it will be hot to the touch. Sometimes the login screen is locked (frozen - I can't enter my password, the mouse doesn't work, I have to do a hard reset: Holding down the power button). This was happening more often when it was first installed, but I disabled hardware acceleration in both Firefox and Chrome, which did lessen the problem, but it wasn't a fix as I probably have to do one hard reset daily at this time.

I did change the battery back when it still had OSX installed, but I never had overheating problems with that OS. Looking through the forum, I've seen others include the following info for similar issues.

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inxi -Fxz
System:
  Host: MacBookProCi52011 Kernel: 4.15.0-64-generic x86_64 bits: 64 
  compiler: gcc v: 7.4.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.2.4 
  Distro: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic 
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Apple product: MacBookPro8,1 v: 1.0 serial: <filter> 
  Mobo: Apple model: Mac-94245B3640C91C81 v: MacBookPro8,1 serial: <filter> 
  UEFI: Apple v: 82.0.0.0.0 date: 09/25/2018 
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 66.4 Wh condition: 66.4/64.8 Wh (103%) 
  model: EGOWAY A1322 status: Full 
CPU:
  Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-2415M bits: 64 type: MT MCP 
  arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 18360 
  Speed: 798 MHz min/max: 800/2900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 894 2: 973 
  3: 959 4: 880 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics 
  vendor: Apple driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
  resolution: 1280x800~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile v: 3.3 Mesa 19.0.8 
  direct render: Yes 
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio 
  driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.0-64-generic 
Network:
  Device-1: Broadcom and subsidiaries NetXtreme BCM57765 Gigabit Ethernet 
  PCIe 
  driver: tg3 v: 3.137 port: efa0 bus ID: 02:00.0 
  IF: enp2s0f0 state: down mac: <filter> 
  Device-2: Broadcom and subsidiaries BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n 
  vendor: Apple AirPort Extreme driver: wl v: kernel port: efa0 
  bus ID: 03:00.0 
  IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: <filter> 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 313.09 GiB used: 60.13 GiB (19.2%) 
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: HTS545032B9A302 size: 298.09 GiB 
  ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Generic model: Flash Disk size: 15.00 GiB 
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 291.92 GiB used: 28.25 GiB (9.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
  ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.00 GiB used: 1.0 MiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0 
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 66.0 C mobo: N/A 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:
  Processes: 215 Uptime: 17h 43m Memory: 3.77 GiB used: 1.74 GiB (46.3%) 
  Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 7.4.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.20 
  inxi: 3.0.32 

When running normally, this is the sensor readout:

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sensors
applesmc-isa-0300
Adapter: ISA adapter
Exhaust  :   2001 RPM  (min = 2000 RPM, max = 6200 RPM)
TB0T:         +28.2°C  
TB1T:         +31.0°C  
TB2T:         +30.2°C  
TC0C:         +64.0°C  
TC0D:         +61.0°C  
TC0E:         +66.8°C  
TC0F:         +67.2°C  
TC0J:          +0.5°C  
TC0P:         +58.0°C  
TC1C:         +63.0°C  
TC2C:         +63.0°C  
TCGC:         +64.0°C  
TCSA:         +63.0°C  
TCTD:          -0.2°C  
TM0P:         +45.0°C  
TM0S:         +56.0°C  
TMBS:          +0.0°C  
TP0P:         +59.2°C  
TPCD:         +60.0°C  
TW0P:        -127.0°C  
Th1H:         +48.0°C  
Ts0P:         +32.5°C  
Ts0S:         +44.0°C  

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0:  +71.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0:        +71.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1:        +66.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)

BAT0-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:        +28.5°C  
I've tried to get sensor readings when overheating, but it is often locked up so I'm unable to sort that out. I've also been looking at processes. When using system monitor, weirdly, no matter what I'm running, %CPU is always at 0 for every process. However, when I go to Resources, it is active and shows me real-time changes via the visual graphing system.

Using Terminal, I actually get some information (maybe I should submit System Monitor not working as a bug report?)

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aj@MacBookProCi52011:~$ top

top - 11:40:39 up 18:03,  1 user,  load average: 0.25, 0.37, 0.27
Tasks: 216 total,   1 running, 158 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s):  2.5 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 96.6 id,  0.1 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
KiB Mem :  3950228 total,   224592 free,  1466764 used,  2258872 buff/cache
KiB Swap:  2096636 total,  2095600 free,     1036 used.  1937020 avail Mem 

  PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND     
 1823 aj        20   0 3598064 133616  65876 S   3.3  3.4  10:24.53 cinnamon    
 1175 root      20   0  520284  79084  56468 S   3.0  2.0   6:07.38 Xorg        
13655 aj        20   0  630712  37680  27736 S   3.0  1.0   0:03.24 gnome-term+ 
13978 aj        20   0  499936  46532  34976 S   3.0  1.2   0:10.72 gnome-syst+ 
13492 aj        20   0 2704696 185012 108712 S   1.7  4.7   0:17.88 Web Content 
14031 aj        20   0   44180   4016   3288 R   0.7  0.1   0:00.21 top         
 1017 root      20   0    4552    780    720 S   0.3  0.0   0:01.66 acpid       
 1075 root      20   0  558856  16908  13632 S   0.3  0.4   0:12.73 NetworkMan+ 
 1645 aj        20   0  711568  59064  37316 S   0.3  1.5   7:35.22 cinnamon-s+ 
13213 aj        20   0 3252040 427608 146172 S   0.3 10.8   2:46.13 firefox     
13553 aj        20   0 2777288 228132 125484 S   0.3  5.8   0:29.11 Web Content 
    1 root      20   0  225628   9396   6720 S   0.0  0.2   0:02.45 systemd     
    2 root      20   0       0      0      0 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.01 kthreadd    
    4 root       0 -20       0      0      0 I   0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kworker/0:+ 
    6 root       0 -20       0      0      0 I   0.0  0.0   0:00.00 mm_percpu_+ 
    7 root      20   0       0      0      0 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.74 ksoftirqd/0 
    8 root      20   0       0      0      0 I   0.0  0.0   0:27.81 rcu_sched   
I was going to include a snapshot of System Monitor (not working), but once I used "top" in Terminal, System Monitor started relaying my %CPU processes. Interesting.
Photo taken after system crashed
Photo taken after system crashed
I ran a test to see if I could get 19.2 to crash and was successful. I opened Firefox and Chrome, ran Netflix and YouTube respectively with a movie playing on VLC. That did it. The picture above shows Chrome as perhaps "the" culprit in this test, but this system still freezes up without running chrome. Maybe the way 19.2 is managing data and processes is the issue? Something to do with the cache or memory? I was forced to do a hard reset in this case.

The highest temps before reset were reaching around 91 deg C. When 19.2 locks up, if I don't hard reset, it keeps spinning and heating up until I do.
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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating

Post by Pjotr » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:26 pm

Tip: 10 things to do after installing Linux Mint 19.2 Tina
Keep your Linux Mint healthy: Avoid these 10 fatal mistakes
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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating

Post by absque fenestris » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:29 pm

If your MacBook is still in good condition, I'd invest in RAM and an SSD.
In my MacBook (2009) I installed 8GB RAM and after the silent farewell of the original hard disk I installed a cheap 240GB SSD from WD.
The effects are amazing...

I would also try Mint MATE. Runs at least on my model a few degrees cooler.

Have you also checked the interior for accumulated dust?

Temperatures:
with Cinnamon CPU + Nvidia graphics around 65°C - with rising tendency
with MATE CPU + Nvidia graphics around 56°C - stable
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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by BG405 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:18 pm

absque fenestris wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:29 pm
Have you also checked the interior for accumulated dust?
+1.

Also, I'd strongly advise replacing the thermal transfer compound between the CPU (and GPU, if discrete) & heatpipe assembly .. or get someone to do it for you if you don't feel confident. It's likely baked hard, especially as it's been too hot, too many times. My Dell ran about 10°C cooler on average after I cleaned out the heatpipe and applied new paste & stopped getting to critical temperatures under load.

Not sure how  easy  difficult those MacBooks are to open up though.
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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by absque fenestris » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:39 pm

If your operating system freezes or crashes you have a serious problem - this is not common under Linux, nor under macOS.
On my MacBook it was a dying hard disk that produced very strange effects - under both macOS and Linux: something like super-fast data transfer without any data, lost desktops - and at the end a black screen - but never a crash...

If possible, check if your MacBook runs amok under any OSX - if so, maybe some hardware part is broken. If you're lucky, it's a RAM module or the hard disk. If the motherboard is affected, I would assume a total loss.

Not sure how easy difficult those MacBooks are to open up though.

It's a few screws. The f****g things have only been sealed for about 3 years... :mrgreen:
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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by BG405 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:56 pm

absque fenestris wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:39 pm
It's a few screws. ... :mrgreen:
The screw-heads might be Mac Specials however! :lol:
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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by absque fenestris » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:05 pm

BG405 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:56 pm
absque fenestris wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:39 pm
It's a few screws. ... :mrgreen:
The screw-heads might be Mac Specials however! :lol:
No problem: in any better supermarket you can get very comprehensive bit sets for little money - made in China, possibly on German or Swiss machine tools. Whether American or English machines exist, I'm not so sure...
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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating

Post by Tortugaverde » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:06 pm

Pjotr wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:26 pm
Try whether this helps:
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID5.1
(item 5.1)
Thank you Pjotr. Most of those settings were optimized except for the windows tiling. I changed the setting and will run Mint for some time and report back.

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating

Post by Tortugaverde » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:24 pm

absque fenestris wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:29 pm
If your MacBook is still in good condition, I'd invest in RAM and an SSD.
In my MacBook (2009) I installed 8GB RAM and after the silent farewell of the original hard disk I installed a cheap 240GB SSD from WD.
The effects are amazing...

I would also try Mint MATE. Runs at least on my model a few degrees cooler.

Have you also checked the interior for accumulated dust?

Temperatures:
with Cinnamon CPU + Nvidia graphics around 65°C - with rising tendency
with MATE CPU + Nvidia graphics around 56°C - stable
Yes. When I changed out the battery I gave the inside a good dusting and focused my air in and around the fan, CPU, and intake/out-take areas. As you can see, when running normally with few processes, the Mac runs within your suggested parameters:

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sensors
applesmc-isa-0300
Adapter: ISA adapter
Exhaust  :   1999 RPM  (min = 2000 RPM, max = 6200 RPM)
TB0T:         +25.0°C  
TB1T:         +31.0°C  
TB2T:         +30.2°C  
TC0C:         +62.8°C  
TC0D:         +59.8°C  
TC0E:         +65.0°C  
TC0F:         +65.2°C  
TC0J:          +0.2°C  
TC0P:         +57.0°C  
TC1C:         +62.0°C  
TC2C:         +63.0°C  
TCGC:         +62.0°C  
TCSA:         +61.0°C  
TCTD:          +0.0°C  
TM0P:         +42.8°C  
TM0S:         +52.5°C  
TMBS:          +0.0°C  
TP0P:         +57.8°C  
TPCD:         +58.0°C  
TW0P:        -127.0°C  
Th1H:         +46.2°C  
Ts0P:         +29.2°C  
Ts0S:         +41.8°C  

BAT0-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:        +25.3°C  

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0:  +66.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0:        +64.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1:        +66.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
I don't know if MATE would make a difference, but I may give it a try. The unit heating up doesn't cause the laptop to lock up. The increase in temperature is a result of the 16.2 trying to run processes through the CPU/memory, having some difficulty, then locking up/crashing and increasing temp as it tries to correct. It most likely is specific to this hardware/software. I have had a similar setup on my old Lenovo Carbon X1 (first gen) and don't have the same issues. Ram always seems to help - I may give that a shot but I don't think I'll be investing in a SSD on this old beast.

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by Tortugaverde » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:34 pm

BG405 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:18 pm
absque fenestris wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:29 pm
Have you also checked the interior for accumulated dust?
+1.

Also, I'd strongly advise replacing the thermal transfer compound between the CPU (and GPU, if discrete) & heatpipe assembly .. or get someone to do it for you if you don't feel confident. It's likely baked hard, especially as it's been too hot, too many times. My Dell ran about 10°C cooler on average after I cleaned out the heatpipe and applied new paste & stopped getting to critical temperatures under load.

Not sure how  easy  difficult those MacBooks are to open up though.
Hi absque fenestris,
They are easy to open and I have all the proper tools to do so. I've opened it up several times now for cleaning and replacing parts. I did not, however, check the thermal transfer compound as I haven't replaced any of the heat-syncs or other fan-related parts (the fan seems to run like a champ). Again, when running OSX there were no issues with overheating or processes locking up.

To be clear, the critical temps are a result of some processing problem. It doesn't overheat as I'm doing lightweight tasks such as browsing or using LibreOffice. It in fact runs within normal parameters.

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by Tortugaverde » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:46 pm

absque fenestris wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:39 pm
If your operating system freezes or crashes you have a serious problem - this is not common under Linux, nor under macOS.
On my MacBook it was a dying hard disk that produced very strange effects - under both macOS and Linux: something like super-fast data transfer without any data, lost desktops - and at the end a black screen - but never a crash...

If possible, check if your MacBook runs amok under any OSX - if so, maybe some hardware part is broken. If you're lucky, it's a RAM module or the hard disk. If the motherboard is affected, I would assume a total loss.

Not sure how easy difficult those MacBooks are to open up though.

It's a few screws. The f****g things have only been sealed for about 3 years... :mrgreen:
Under OSX...this laptop was not up to the task of running it smoothly. I figured this was a good time to get it on Mint to extend its life. Before switching on Linux Mint I ran diagnostics through the Mac and the OSX tools - No problems found or reported. I checked memory, disk, etc. I haven't been losing desktops, no black screen, just a total lockdown and a fan spinning up as the thing gets hotter as it tries to get unstuck.

Screws are cheap but reusable...and of course several different sizes just to make things confusing.

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by absque fenestris » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:13 pm

Which OSX? As a 2011 device, the original operating system should be OSX 10.6 or OSX 10.7.
Your device should have no problems with these OSX systems - except that they are of course completely obsolete...

As an addition: A friend runs a 2010 iMac with an i3 processor under (High..?) Sierra without further problems - all applications run - and in view of a 9 year old device even excellent... - and Mint MATE 18.3 runs in the Oracle Virtualbox. And yes! Mint MATE 18.3 runs incredibly fast.
But the hard disk is now audible, I think this is the beginning of the end...
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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by thx-1138 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:05 am

Tortugaverde wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:48 am
When putting the lid down for the night, when I come back it will be hot to the touch.
............................................
To be clear, the critical temps are a result of some processing problem.
It doesn't overheat as I'm doing lightweight tasks such as browsing or using LibreOffice.
...partially a guess in the wild, and partially a semi-educated guess,
as Apple machines traditionally have numerous acpi-related issues under Linux...

Take a note of the interrupts right after booting, grep enabled /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe*
Do what you normally do, check again some time later...then close/open the lid as well, and check again...
If the count has raised up significantly, say by the thousands or so,
that would then be a pretty clear indicator acpi is misbehaving there.

Local example, 4.5 hrs up & running...with normal results:
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe4F: 2889 EN enabled unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe50: 0 EN enabled unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe62: 0 EN enabled unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe66: 19 EN enabled unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe67: 0 enabled unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe69: 0 EN enabled unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe6D: 0 EN enabled unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe6F: 0 EN enabled unmasked
If you do indeed find a runaway gpe, eg. say gpe4F, you can then disable it in grub...
xed admin:///etc/default/grub
Modify there...
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_mask_gpe=0x4F quiet splash"
Save, run sudo update-grub, reboot.

If the interrupts are ok in the first place, and hence the above not applicable,
you could still try experimenting by passing various acpi parameters to grub & see if that makes a difference.
A pretty common one is acpi_osi=!Darwin
Such tells the firmware specifically that it's not...an Apple OS that gets loaded (...well, it isn't now),
with the result / side effect of turning off some power-management features, and/or devices (eg. Thunderbolt).
You'll have to manually read & then further research that part though,
as i'm not personally qualified to make appropriate / specific suggestions for Apples. Hope that helps.

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by Tortugaverde » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:34 pm

absque fenestris wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:13 pm
Which OSX? As a 2011 device, the original operating system should be OSX 10.6 or OSX 10.7.
Your device should have no problems with these OSX systems - except that they are of course completely obsolete...

As an addition: A friend runs a 2010 iMac with an i3 processor under (High..?) Sierra without further problems - all applications run - and in view of a 9 year old device even excellent... - and Mint MATE 18.3 runs in the Oracle Virtualbox. And yes! Mint MATE 18.3 runs incredibly fast.
But the hard disk is now audible, I think this is the beginning of the end...
OSX 10.13 was the last update (High Sierra) and after that it really wasn't running well. Before that it was fine. I have no idea what software or hardware changes occurred before. I never did a clean install, it was always updates, and it wasn't my laptop originally. No audible HDD sounds - yet - but perhaps I do need to update/upgrade the RAM as has been suggested before.

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by Tortugaverde » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:40 pm

[/quote]...partially a guess in the wild, and partially a semi-educated guess,
as Apple machines traditionally have numerous acpi-related issues under Linux...

Take a note of the interrupts right after booting, grep enabled /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe*
Do what you normally do, check again some time later...then close/open the lid as well, and check again...
If the count has raised up significantly, say by the thousands or so,
that would then be a pretty clear indicator acpi is misbehaving there....
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Thank you for all that info...I'll start experimenting and see what happens. I'll report back with whatever I find. Curious to see the results and whether or not the acpi is indeed misbehaving. It would be pretty cool if your semi-educated wild guess is right :)

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$ grep enabled /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe*
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe07:       0         enabled      unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe11:       0  EN     enabled      unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe13:       0  EN     enabled      unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe15:       0  EN     enabled      unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe17:     618  EN     enabled      unmasked
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe23:       0  EN     enabled      unmasked
To start, that's what the system looks like upon a restart. As you asked, I'll run things for a while and get back with an updated view. I also checked the BIOS version to see what I'm dealing with there. Looks more or less updated.

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sudo dmidecode -t bios -q
BIOS Information
	Vendor: Apple Inc.
	Version: 82.0.0.0.0
	Release Date: 09/25/2018
	ROM Size: 8192 kB
	Characteristics:
		PCI is supported
		BIOS is upgradeable
		BIOS shadowing is allowed
		Boot from CD is supported
		Selectable boot is supported
		ACPI is supported
		IEEE 1394 boot is supported
		Smart battery is supported
		Function key-initiated network boot is supported
	BIOS Revision: 0.1

BIOS Language Information
	Language Description Format: Long
	Installable Languages: 1
		<BAD INDEX>
	Currently Installed Language: Not Specified

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by CaptainKirksChair » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:14 pm

If you've tried all of the recommendations above and still have an overheating problem, might I suggest the following?

Laptop Cooler

I installed Mint on a 2011 Macbook Pro 17 inch (8.3) and it was always warm to hot. Once I started using the cooler above, It was never hot. I did have to move the laptop so the left side of the laptop (as you face it) is very close to the left side stand on the cooler. It got the air flow over the CPU and GPU. Depending on which side of your laptop has the CPU, you can slide it so the most air flow is on the important part of the bottom of the laptop.

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by Portreve » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:35 pm

I run LM 19.2 on a 2.7GHz i7-based 2011 13" MBP. I also have 10 GB of RAM in it. I've had no issues like what you're describing.

Honestly, I'd replace the RAM (bad RAM can and does masquerade as a host of other problems) and probably max it out while you're at it.

I love my Samsung SSD. The performance difference is beyond day and night.

Honestly, I can't wait until I'm able to buy a new system and have an M.2 system drive, which will be even faster than what I've got now.
Please be polite and remember to mark your fixed problem [SOLVED].

Presently running Linux Mint Cinnamon 19.3 beta.

Also looking for a new job.

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Re: 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by absque fenestris » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:42 pm

RAM in different Macs:
I can confirm Portreve's statement. I have purchased RAM chips from Crucial in pairs for my miniMac 2011 (upgrade from 4 to 16 GB) as well as for my MacBook Pro 2009 (upgrade from 4 to 8 GB) especially for the respective Mac products.
It was a few Swiss francs more expensive than nameless RAM bricks - but I think it was worth it.

https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/apple-memory

And then the SSD! Compared to a classic spinning hard disk, the old SATA port is used at its best: Worlds faster and less hot - and noiseless.
At least the SSD can easily be used later in another device or as an external hard disk.

About the SSD upgrade: I've chosen a cheap ( > slow...) WD Green - that's enough to exhaust the SATA port. Faster (and much more expensive) SSD's don't bring any significant advantage on about 10-year-old SATA connections.
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Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa (Mate) 64-bit - MacBook Pro 15" (Intel Core2 Duo, 8 GB RAM, 240 GB SSD) - with some separation difficulties...

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Re: [SOLVED] 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by Tortugaverde » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:02 pm

Hi fellow contributors. Thanks for all your input. I'm going to reply to a few of you below, then explain how I resolved my overheating issue.
Via thx-1138
If you do indeed find a runaway gpe, eg. say gpe4F, you can then disable it in grub...
xed admin:///etc/default/grub
Modify there...
That didn't end up being the problem. I did as you suggested, but nothing in our thread made a difference.

Via absque fenestris
I have purchased RAM chips from Crucial in pairs for my miniMac 2011 (upgrade from 4 to 16 GB) as well as for my MacBook Pro 2009 (upgrade from 4 to 8 GB) especially for the respective Mac products...And then the SSD! Compared to a classic spinning hard disk, the old SATA port is used at its best
RAM and HDD speed wasn't the issue. I do recommend the upgrades you suggested however. It will make a world of difference in certain user's needs.

Via CaptainKirksChair
Laptop Cooler
I thought this was an interesting work-around, but I didn't think that, with a new OS, and a lighter one than I was running before, that this actually solved the problem. We want the laptop to function properly with the hardware/software parameters. If something is wrong with the functionality of the OS this won't address the need for a fix. It will make the laptop last longer however. So might putting it in a freezer, but not very practical. Still, a great option for some.

Via Pjotr
I did as you suggested, and none of it made a difference. Interestingly, see my solution below.

I used Timeshift to see if any of the packages I'd installed were causing the problem. No luck. Same issue with overheating. I then re-installed the OS to see if I had a bad install. No luck. Same issues. I opened up the Mac, removed the optical drive (pos that wasn't working anyway) to open up some air space, then took out, and re-installed the ram...I've found that sometimes makes a difference in past builds. No luck. Same issues.

I then tried another re-install of 19.2 Cinnamon without encrypting the home folder - that actually made a noticeable difference. It wasn't running as hot, and I had less issues that were coming up with this install (not addressed in this thread).

Finally, looking at the different versions of Linux Mint, Installed 19.2 MATE 64bit.

Now there are no problems at all. No overheating. Everything runs faster. No hiccups when plugged in or powering up/down. No locking up. All the same packages are now installed and I've been running it for a week with no problems. For the heck of it, I removed Chrome (Chromium) and I'm now using Brave as an alternative browser - which is lighter-weight and way faster - alongside Firefox with all the add-ons for privacy I'd normally have. All of Pjotr's suggestions of what to turn off...they are all on - Window tilling works great, hardware acceleration is on, no locking up or freezing.

I created two accounts: And administrative account with an encrypted folder and a user account that is not encrypted. In 19.2 MATE, the encrypted account does run a little more warm, but it is barely noticeable. The unencrypted user account has no issues and runs very smoothly. I have not been able to make it lock-up or crash running multiple processes as I did with Cinnamon. It still warms up when running Netflix (Firefox), YouTube (Brave), WhatsApp, and VLC, but that's expected and normal. No crashes. No locking up.

Some have suggested RAM and SSD upgrades. This should not be necessary with a pure internet machine (no major software like ArcView or GIMP or Audacity running) running 19.2 Cinnamon or MATE in my opinion. I have run a similar setup on my Lenovo 1st Gen Carbon X1 and, similarly with the encryption issue, it would heat up moreso when running Mint vs Windows, but would not lock up.

I would suggest for developers this is an issue with encryption, MacBook Pro's and some difference in how MATE and Cinnamon manage processing, power, and encryption.

Thanks for your help everyone. Marking this SOLVED.

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Re: [SOLVED] 19.2 "Tina" Cinnamon MacBook Pro Overheating Locking Up Freezing

Post by thx-1138 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:45 pm

Thanks for coming back & replying on this, was quite a bit curious about it.
Home folder encryption indeed requires more effort / processor cycles...
Theoritically, a different desktop, assuming it behaves properly, it shouldn't cause a huge difference in temperatures.
Cinnamon is supposed to use acceleration, so certainly by default heavier in that aspect...
but i've seen various complaints about Cinnamon doing so around...
thereby it kinda makes me wonder as i never used such myself, currently on Mate.
Barely a discernible difference if i simply log-in on terminal & spend my time there actually...
browsers semi-lacking proper acceleration under linux making most of the actual difference.

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