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AMD linux desktop build

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How is this for a build?

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Re: AMD linux desktop build

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The board is overkill for that particular processor, as is the RAM and do you really want a Zen+ processor rather than Zen2?

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-4300g

Also, no PSU added so I take it you have one already

Also, don't rule out HAL 9000 :D
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Re: AMD linux desktop build

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Compatibility should be fine.

But as mentioned, get a cheaper board and a better CPU.
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Yes I have a 650 watt PSU When looking for motherboards It was hard to find one on the pcpartpicker site that did not have a flag for a bios update. I have to look up this zen and zen2. This is my first build with AMD CPU's. Been hard to find one that is why picked the Motherboard I did.
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dave8671 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:43 am
Yes I have a 650 watt PSU When looking for motherboards It was hard to find one on the pcpartpicker site that did not have a flag for a bios update. I have to look up this zen and zen2. This is my first build with AMD CPU's. Been hard to find one that is why picked the Motherboard I did.
I wouldn't use the term 'overkill' in reference to your picks because doing that would require me to make unfounded assumptions about your objectives based on things you haven't said (hint to other posters).

I have the GA X570 UD board and it's brilliant. There's no reason to ditch that board in favour of something cheaper if you later plan to upgrade to a PCIe4 NVMe and a Zen2 CPU like the 3900X. Also, the 3600MHz RAM is good if, again, you plan an upgrade later, but right now, 3200MHz would be more than enough in either case. I would also encourage you to get a discrete video card, especially nVidia. Linux support for Vega graphics in that APU you've chosen isn't up to scratch in my opinion. If you don't plan to upgrade then I still don't see the need for a cheaper board because the X570 UD is very solid and should give you years of service. However the choice is yours, and a cheaper board and slightly slower RAM would allow you to put the extra cash toward a discrete video card.

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Machine:   Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: X570 UD v: N/A serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Gigabyte model: X570 UD v: x.x serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends 
           v: F20 date: 07/07/2020 
CPU:       Topology: 12-Core model: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen 
           L2 cache: 6144 KiB 
           flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm 
           bogomips: 182052 
           Speed: 3595 MHz min/max: N/A Core speeds (MHz): 1: 3595 2: 3607 3: 3596 4: 3603 
           5: 3594 6: 3588 7: 3594 8: 3613 9: 3594 10: 3593 11: 3606 12: 3631 13: 3592 14: 3571 
           15: 3593 16: 3592 17: 3592 18: 3591 19: 3593 20: 3592 21: 3588 22: 3570 23: 3599 
           24: 3549 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA TU104 [GeForce RTX 2080] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nvidia v: 440.100 
           bus ID: 0b:00.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: nvidia 
           resolution: 3840x2160~60Hz, 3840x2160~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce RTX 2080/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 440.100 
           direct render: Yes 
I run a PCIe4 NVMe and it's screaming fast, but you need a Zen2 CPU for that.
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All motherboards benefit from BIOS updates at some point, especially the AM4 platform. AMD release AGESA updates which motherboard manufacturers add to BIOS. These improve stability and memory compatibility, provide vulnerability mitigations and sometimes performance enhancements. Through AGESA updates they also add support for newer processors in the future.

The best way to start on AM4 platform even if Dave wants to upgrade in future is with a rounded specification. The 3200G is certainly not going to deliver that when paired with an X570 and 3600Mhz RAM. Okay the board would allow for future upgrades but at the same time, so would buying a B550 ATX board and a Ryzen 5 3600 instead. Would you buy an Audi R8 with a 1.0FSI engine (not that they'd ever sell one like that) to upgrade in the future?

NVIDIA support is worse in the long term as nouveau is rubbish for recent cards and NVIDIA are quick to leave older cores on legacy driver packages (I know from experience). Instead I'd advise considering an 8GB AMD card RX580 or RX5700 XT for example depending on budget, both of which work fine with kernel 5.4 and amdgpu drivers shipped with that kernel. But it also depends yet again if Dave wants to game or not. If not, then a cheaper RX570 4GB would be more than ample and has no support issues whatsoever since the GPU architecture has been around for years now.
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Re: AMD linux desktop build

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There are b450 boards than support the 3200g out teh box. The 3200g is Zen +, not Zen 2. Any BIOS less than a year old will work.

I can't necessarily recommend you get a discrete GPu, since you are looking 200-250$ minimum for a low end card, and if you don't game that's a waste of money.

You can get the 3200g (or 3400g which is better IMHO), and try it out. See if your graphics support is OK. There are many AMD users on this board who can help you troubleshoot the GPU.

You can pick up a discrete card later if decide to play games.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hFFsJb
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Well you found what I could not :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hFFsJb

I have a case which only will take mATX mobos its a tight fix around the 5.25 bays even for the old i3 modo in there now. its the Fractal Core 2500 Micro. How the HDD's are mounted I really did not like which was horizontal.

I got me a Icydock 4x 2.5 much easier to change drives I do not use it has a hot swap. I do wonder if the AMD mobo would have issues with this case I have to look at the layout of the connections. I do not play games on Linux. I have never spent to much on GPUs and I have to to get the build within budget which is less than 600. How about the XFX Radeon RX 570 8 GB?
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I might just see how the integrated is first since I am going to have 16GB of ram.
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dave8671 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:32 pm
Well you found what I could not :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hFFsJb

I have a case which only will take mATX mobos its a tight fix around the 5.25 bays even for the old i3 modo in there now. its the Fractal Core 2500 Micro. How the HDD's are mounted I really did not like which was horizontal.

I got me a Icydock 4x 2.5 much easier to change drives I do not use it has a hot swap. I do wonder if the AMD mobo would have issues with this case I have to look at the layout of the connections. I do not play games on Linux. I have never spent to much on GPUs and I have to to get the build within budget which is less than 600. How about the XFX Radeon RX 570 8 GB?
That boards supports teh 3200 as of BIOS v28 released in July 2019. Unless your retailer has 1 + year old stock you should be fine. If you are extremely unlucky, make sure they have a generous exchange policy. I bought an Asus B450 board in June, and it came with a BIOS from december already.

Get rid of the HDDs and with money saved, get a nice M.2 SSD (nvme preferably).

The rx 570 is an older generation card that is fine for playing older games at 1080p. It's well supported in Linux these days. Of course, being older, I would not overpay for it. Maybe you can pick up one on the used market for cheap.

Considering yoru situation just try the on board GPU, and later when the need arises you can get a discrete card
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I do use a typical HDD for backups. I am just getting into SSD drives I put one in my PS4 that was a eye opener. Even though the PS4 is SATA 2
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M.2 drive is also new to me I have done a bit of research and before this information "2242/2260/2280 M-key" confused the heck out of me. I know the speed difference now though. What I understand from the research is cant use a NVMe M.2 with this motherboard is that correct, what does the M-key mean? that I could not fine I am sure its a simple as a piece of paper. Shhh I am coming out from under a rock so be genial :)
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You can certainly use an M.2 drive, I have a Samsung Evo 970 in my Ryzen based gaming system and it's quick enough for my needs (matches the installed RAM speed for writes, so no data transfer bottlenecks) but there are even faster models now, including the Samsung Evo 'Plus' range and Corsair's MP600 which is purpose designed for the current Ryzen processor models with PCI-E 4.0 support.

The 4-digit numbers refer to the length of the card. All you need to check is what length is supported by your board but most M.2 storage are 2280 and will fit fine. There will be 2x special mounting screws with the motherboard if it has two M.2 slots so make sure you do not lose them. They have a lip to hold the M.2 down as the slot is sprung like notebook RAM slots are.
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dave8671 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:36 pm
M.2 drive is also new to me I have done a bit of research and before this information "2242/2260/2280 M-key" confused the heck out of me. I know the speed difference now though. What I understand from the research is cant use a NVMe M.2 with this motherboard is that correct, what does the M-key mean? that I could not fine I am sure its a simple as a piece of paper. Shhh I am coming out from under a rock so be genial :)
Yes. Whether you can use nvme depends on which processor you installed. The 3200g does nvme just fine.
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I am planning to get the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G. I had look up a blow of the MSI B450M PRO-M2 to see the connection type now I get it.
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I had another of my pondering and decided to replace the case with a mid ATX case and I wanted to have a bit more PCI-E slots. I got me MSI B450 Tomahawk max ATX AM4 .
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Good choice. I've always been a fan of Msi boards.
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With having the SSD m.2 drive on the way is there any changes to be done with grub. And is reason not to use a SSD as a backup drive?
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dave8671 wrote:
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With having the SSD m.2 drive on the way is there any changes to be done with grub. And is reason not to use a SSD as a backup drive?
M.2 drives, whether SATA or NVME are natively recognized by Linux. No messing around needed.

If you install fresh, just specify the drive as the target for your installation. If you have a previous install you are migrating, you can clone the install to the new drive.

The reson not use the M.2 drive as backup is only that your fastest drive should be where your system is installed if you want to a fast responsive system. There is no point in storing all your wedding photos on Samsung 970 pro while booting of some 5400rpm 4tb Green drive.
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I never had a 4TB in my life I only have 1GB Drives for backups.
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