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rec9140 wrote:

roadrash wrote: If Boo wants to work with 4.x in the "LAB" for possible WAY FUTURE releases, great, but for the mainstream release for now 3.5.10+ is the way to go. When KDE gets their project back on track then we can take another look.

Sorry Boo et al, but I have to agree with these anti-4.x posts. Fortunately Mint Gnome has impressed me enough that I'll stay with that for now. But as to Mint going to KDE4.x, I want none of it for as long as possible.

And for the argument that "most distro's are going that way so we should to", that may be correct. But the distro that stays with KDE-3.x the longest will likely find it's user base grow tremendously as it's competitors fade away as well.

Can't we have the option of which KDE to install? Just take M5's KDE, update it and add it as an option during the install. Mint KDE is already on a DVD so space on the disk is not an issue

Just my 2 cents worth.

Mandriva with KDE 4.15 impressed me a WHOOOOOLE lot!
I say way to go Boo.
The only way to go is forward.

Eddie G. Wilson wrote:What a lot of people do not realize is that Kde 4.x.x will become the defacto standard in the future. Kde will finally drop support for anything that is not Kde 4.x.x and will stop development on earlier versions. Where does that leave the users who say they will not migrate to Kde 4? Well you won't be able to switch to another distro because Kde 4 will be adopted by all. Those who refuse to evolve will have to use another desktop manager. At the present time I'm not tickled with Kde 4 either but I will evolve when the time comes and I'm sure, just like the Mint KDE is now, we will have a first rate Kde 4 desktop manager. As far as switching to the Kubuntu repositories from the Ubuntu repositories, thats the way it should be. There won't be anymore problems with one than there is the other. Kubuntu is very stable and useable for a lot of people so the last release of Kubuntu did not fall on its face. Anyway I'm sure that Boo will not release junk. LinuxMint KDE CE will always be a first rate disrto and everyone should realize that now. Looking forward to the future!

Eddie

I think the above post says it all!

Zwopper wrote:I think the above post says it all!

F O R K ! !

Thats where KDE is headed...

V4.x can take up VDE for VistawannabeDE

3.5.x can stay with KDE and improve on what is stable and works.

If KDE.org would like to make V4.x as stable as V3.5.10+ AND have the ABILITY to 100000% DISABLE/BANISH/GUT the "new and improved" garbage of V4.x then fine. Till you have an option that ala "Winslopper Classic" mode for XcraP then 4.x is not for me.

KDE.org BLEW IT BIG TIME and is going to MISS the LINUX BOAT w/4.x and at the worst time. Linux adoption is increasing. This is NOT the time to be making radical changes like V4.x, especially without a way to revert to full blown 3.5.10+ mode.

Thanks to this move KDE could be on verge of becoming a foot note in the Linux Revolution and thats really sad, as I feel its head and hands above the others including gnome.

rec9140 wrote:

Zwopper wrote:I think the above post says it all!

F O R K ! !

Thats where KDE is headed...

V4.x can take up VDE for VistawannabeDE

3.5.x can stay with KDE and improve on what is stable and works.

If KDE.org would like to make V4.x as stable as V3.5.10+ AND have the ABILITY to 100000% DISABLE/BANISH/GUT the "new and improved" garbage of V4.x then fine. Till you have an option that ala "Winslopper Classic" mode for XcraP then 4.x is not for me.

KDE.org BLEW IT BIG TIME and is going to MISS the LINUX BOAT w/4.x and at the worst time. Linux adoption is increasing. This is NOT the time to be making radical changes like V4.x, especially without a way to revert to full blown 3.5.10+ mode.

Thanks to this move KDE could be on verge of becoming a foot note in the Linux Revolution and thats really sad, as I feel its head and hands above the others including gnome.

LOL!
If someone is copying here, it's clearly the people in Redmond(as usual!).
And what you seem to forget is that KDE 4 is supposed to run on Linux, OSX and Windows.
That in itself is food for thought I think!

Mint KDE 6 will use 8.10/KDE4 as a base, so there is no sense in complaining about it. I hated KDE4 at first also, but after using Opensuse 11 with KDE4, it isn't that bad. There is a folderview feature that Opensuse backported from KDE 4.2 that lets the folderview applet cover the entire desktop seamlessly. You can't tell your not using a traditional desktop while using that desktop option. I hope Boo can include this in Mint 6. The next couple of releases will bring more functionality back to KDE also. Mint 5 KDE is KDE3, and is good for 3 years. Other than that you are down to Mepis 8, PCLinuxOS 2009, or Debian Lenny(for new releases). Everyone else has switched to KDE4 already.

EDIT: I forgot, Opensuse 11.1 will also still offer KDE3 on the DVD version.

Zwopper wrote: If someone is copying here, it's clearly the people in Redmond(as usual!).
And what you seem to forget is that KDE 4 is supposed to run on Linux, OSX and Windows.
That in itself is food for thought I think!

I am well aware of who is copying who... Theres plenty of copying going on in Redmond and Cupertino.

Xerox should have nailed them to the wall over GUI & the mouse alone.

As for KDE on Mac and winslopp....Nope didn't forget, I just don't care. As far as I am concerned its a so what situation. I don't use a maCRAP or winslopp.

KDE 4.x is a dud.

I have uploaded Linux Mint 6 KDE4 DEV 026 for testing by other devs.
Hopefully it is good enough to release for everyone to try, test, give feedback.
Feedback will be the most useful inorder to add, remove or hide applications or change configurations.

there will most likely be a 2 RC's to get all the apps and configs right.
with KDE4 being heavily under development I might even enable the proposed and backported repos if they have updated KDE4 packages.

not long now I hope.

Boo

Hy Boo,
that´s really good news. I have been using Kubuntu´s KDE 4 Intrepid for quite a while now, and yes, you have to enable the Backport repository to get the latest (updated) Kde4 packages. I am also using parts of the proposed repo (this is the unstable branch) due to missing language pack translations in german. Amaroks RC1 is also available from the so called PPA repository (http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2-rc-1) . Many people have problems with KDE4 and, yes and even a friend of mine who is using the latest Mint KDE has experienced problems with his laptop on kubuntu Intrepid - but KDE is awesome and it is getting better and better so the present problems will hopefully dissappear in the near future. Lets see how the Mint KDE4 Version will look like

Cheers
Bernado

Just please, please get rid of the Vista-Black taskbar. Make it Mint-Green or Mint-KDE-Blue instead.

I failed the Linux Mint 6 KDE4 DEV 026 due to mainly synaptic being missing, which caused mintUpdate to not download updates.
It got auto removed after ubufox was removed.

So a few more days wait...

Boo

ronnoc wrote:

Zwopper wrote:Mandriva with KDE 4.15 impressed me a WHOOOOOLE lot!
I say way to go Boo.
The only way to go is forward.

I'm with you. 4 all the way. If you want 3.5.10, well, we have a version for that already, no?

Hi,

Yes I have kDE CE Elyssa installed (3.5.10)
and working well. So I have no hurry
in a prompt public release of RC1 6 Felicia
for testing and then a final version for daily use.
I just hope that we can have a good final version Mint KDE CE 6 Felicia.
Meanwhile, I am using KDE Mint 5 KDE (3.5) and Kubuntu 8.10 KDE 4xx only with backports repo enabled. After the Mint KDE CE is released, I will delete the Kubuntu (and its adept manager)
and got my spare partition back for other purposes.

When it (Kde Ce final) will be released officially?
I suppose it will be released when it's ready as always.

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I share your suggestion.

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Regards
Roberto

Backport 4.2? Or wait till 4.2 is out?

[quote="Sokraates"]Hi, Boo!

If you contemplate switching to backported versions of KDE4 and won't rule out the possibility of a release of KDE CE 6 in late January or early February 2009, I suggest taking a look at KDE 4.2. At the moment there are no backported packages for Beta 1, however there will be for Beta 2 in mid-December.

I'm currently using the nightlies built by Project Neon and the stability is rather astounding for a Beta 1 (I've been using KDE 4.x Alphas and Betas since the 3.9x times, so I know what to expect).

Most importantly, though, KDE 4.2 will (re)introduce some features, that have been most often (at least most vocally) named the reason NOT to switch from KDE 3.5.x: Folder-View that covers the whole desktop and panel auto-hiding (openSUSE has backported those features).

So if the release of KDE CE will happen late enough, considering KDE 4.2 may be worthwhile, especially to placate a rather vocal part of the KDE 3.5 advocates.

/quote]


Hi,

I am not advocating any question in relation to kde 3.5 - I just wanted to say that if we wait a bit for the release of (how long? I don't Know)
Linux Mint KDE CE 6 may be opting for a version 4.2 beta 1 or 2 or the final version 4.2. Boo can be free to choose what he wants to do. Being repetitive, i just hope a good operating system. That's all we want. In last resort, we can make the upgrade to version 4.2 final by ourselves.

Regards
Roberto

Kde 4.2 beta 1 really rocks! I imagine that 4.2 will be a tremedous turning point. I sincerely think that Mint with Kde 4.2 will be a MAJOR event. Let's wait for some news...

Keep the good work Boo.

Hello,
Question, where is it possible to download the beta version of Felicia KDE???

I would be happy to be a beta-tester.
Why: For me a PC is more a hobby than i need it to work. I'm very good in recovering my system, so i do not have fear to work with unstable systems.
I ask for the KDE-Edition because i realy like KDE4.X (for the moment only from openSUSE)

knuckles wrote:Hello,
Question, where is it possible to download the beta version of Felicia KDE???

I would be happy to be a beta-tester.
Why: For me a PC is more a hobby than i need it to work. I'm very good in recovering my system, so i do not have fear to work with unstable systems.
I ask for the KDE-Edition because i realy like KDE4.X (for the moment only from openSUSE)

Hi Knuckles,

So far, there is no (Mint KDE CE 6 Felicia) public iso for testing. Only an official iso of Mint KDE CE 5 ELyssa available for downloading.
KDE version 3.5.9 - Iso-size 1,2gb live/installable DVD.

Cheers
Roberto

Any updates?

Sokraates wrote:Regarding my post about KDE 4.2 (referring to the packages provided by Project Neon), I have now tried the official Kubuntu packages for KDE 4.2 Beta 1 and am very disappointed.

I don't know whether I'm experiencing packaging errors (I guess I do) or whether my configutarion is screwing thing up, in any case plasma now crashes regularly, mostly when changing activities, reoganizing stuff on your desktop or when loging out. Yep, it's very bad-

Considering that I have had almost no crashes with the Project Neon packages (none after Beta 1 was released), the experience with between the two KDE 4.2 "flavours" is day and night.

Let's hope that the quality of the official packages improves signifficantly in the future.

Project Neon packages are always newer than the Beta, even the same day ones. 4.2 will be a great release, just give it time.

On another note, will the MintTools in this release still be GTK based? I don't mind if they are GTK, I would just like to suggest using the QT-GTK style package to make GTK apps look more native in QT.

Linux Mint 6 KDE4 DEV 050 is out for testing with the other developers.

hopefully I have most of the bugs out of it.

Boo

Boo wrote:Linux Mint 6 KDE4 DEV 050 is out for testing with the other developers.

hopefully I have most of the bugs out of it.

Boo

2 Questions.

What is new with this release?

and

Will LM6 KDE be able to upgrade to LM7 KDE when it is released?