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kde along side cinnamon

Post by callmejoe » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:57 pm

im on 18.3 and have been using cinnamon exclusively. i wanted to give another desktop a try so i installed KDE along side cinnamon. after installing i was reading that doing it that way instead of a clean install would cause stability issues. some people think it works fine, some saying you should never install it along side cinnamon.

i did notice some instability, app crashes. nothing major. i do see that you end up with the default applications from both desktops. like nemo and dolphin, 2 terminals, 2 update managers, etc.

what's the consensus on best way to use 2 different DEs

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by all41 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:34 pm

I have always been disappointed with mixing DEs, especially when one is KDE.
Personally I would install one and experiment with others in virtual box,
or else install ea DE to in it's own partition.
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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by Hoser Rob » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:07 am

Installing multiple DEs is one of the best ways to break your OS. All the people I've read who say it's OK are newbies and their system hasn't broken YET. Those guys tend to say something works that they just did 5 minutes ago. I don't know of a single knowledgeable Linux user who'd do this. I recommand a backup and clean reinstall. That's the standard recommendation.

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by Pepi » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:29 am

Trying this led me to losing hair, alcoholism and diabetes :mrgreen:

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by callmejoe » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:03 pm

so doesn't sound like installing more than one DE at a time is good choice.

then why are display managers set up to switch so easily between them?

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by Cosmo. » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:52 am

A good question: Where is the sense to have more than 1 DE installed on the system? I don't get it.

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by kc1di » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:23 am

If you must have two DE's the best way is to make two partitions and install them separately.
I've done that in the past to help others answer questions on a DE that was not my first choice. But it will require a reboot to change from one to the other.
But never broke a system with that method.

if you must have KDE after mint 19 there is plenty of discussion on the forums on how to do that.
Easy tips : https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/
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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by catweazel » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:50 am

Pepi wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:29 am
Trying this led me to losing hair, alcoholism and diabetes :mrgreen:
I had to live on Coca Cola and cigarettes for twenty five years. If only I'd known there was a shortcut!
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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by aes2011 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:09 am

callmejoe wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:03 pm
so doesn't sound like installing more than one DE at a time is good choice.

then why are display managers set up to switch so easily between them?
Don't most distros come with just the one display manager installed by default?

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by catweazel » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:17 am

callmejoe wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:03 pm
so doesn't sound like installing more than one DE at a time is good choice.

then why are display managers set up to switch so easily between them?
The real point is that you need to know enough to be able to fix things without anyone's help when your system borks because you'll get little to no help from the regulars here.
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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by stormryder » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:02 am

callmejoe wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:03 pm
then why are display managers set up to switch so easily between them?
From what I've read installing multiple DEs works fine.
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=256024&start=20#p1380782
I trust the opinion of a mint developer on this one.
Unfortunately as he points out cinnamon and kde aren't that compatible and its probable that's why others have had issues when installing multiple DEs.

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by callmejoe » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:52 pm

catweazel wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:17 am

The real point is that you need to know enough to be able to fix things without anyone's help when your system borks because you'll get little to no help from the regulars here.
funny or sad. not sure which :D
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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by callmejoe » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:55 pm

stormryder wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:02 am

From what I've read installing multiple DEs works fine.
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=256024&start=20#p1380782
I trust the opinion of a mint developer on this one.
Unfortunately as he points out cinnamon and kde aren't that compatible and its probable that's why others have had issues when installing multiple DEs.
interesting read.

so what is best way to completely remove KDE? just a simple sudo apt remove kubuntu-desktop?

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by catweazel » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:40 pm

callmejoe wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:52 pm
catweazel wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:17 am

The real point is that you need to know enough to be able to fix things without anyone's help when your system borks because you'll get little to no help from the regulars here.
funny or sad. not sure which :D
It's neither. The people here are volunteers and don't have the time to sort out huge self-made messes for people.
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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by urdrwho » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:09 am

I've used KDE on several computers and my take on KDE is that it wants to take over everything. Therefore a dual install with KDE and Cinnamon will IMHO clog up your system. To me KDE is the best looking DE but with that comes a price.

I agree with the quote in the link.

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Post by JosephM » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:54 am

For those of you talking about installing a Mint version and then adding Plasma desktop to it: I would avoid starting with the Cinnamon edition. I know most here usually say not to install multiple DE's but I do it all the time for testing purposes and it works fine. The two that do not seem to play well together and I've heard from a few sources can be problematic are Plasma and Cinnamon.

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by stormryder » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:50 am

callmejoe wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:55 pm
so what is best way to completely remove KDE? just a simple sudo apt remove kubuntu-desktop?
That will only remove one package kubuntu-desktop, , if you installed from synaptic you can look in the history to see a list of what was installed along with it. I believe sudo apt auto-remove will remove these once you uninstall the main package, as well as any other packages not used by any software installed in the system.
catweazel wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:40 pm
It's neither. The people here are volunteers and don't have the time to sort out huge self-made messes for people.
Doesn't seem like a very good reason to give users the mushroom treatment. Reinstalling mint isn't that hard, if I can't find the solution to a problem within an hour or two of searching its a waste of my time to pursue it any further. A good backup routine is recommended anyway, seems like that will get people out of most of the messes they get into, whatever the cause.

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by callmejoe » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:09 pm

stormryder wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:50 am

A good backup routine is recommended anyway, seems like that will get people out of most of the messes they get into, whatever the cause.
i did happen to make a back up image of my system before i installed KDE so i can always fall back on that.

i do like the look of KDE. but i can easily stick with cinnamon. doesn't seem like there are any system issues when i'm logged into cinnamon. and i guess i dont have to remove KDE. just some extra files and programs sitting there. will see how long i can go just ignoring them.

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Re: kde along side cinnamon

Post by galaxy0815 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:17 am

No Problem using two different desktop systems.

But why?

I for myself using MATE on my notebook because there's not enough memory.
With MATE it runs better and faster.
But on my desktop computer I'm using KDE Plasma for a better workflow.
For me MATE on the desktop computer is the reference system to my notebook.

No Problem to do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDC6Xew8sL4

Every display manager (where you log in) gives you the chance to switch between the desktop systems you have installed. There are no problems.

Expect one thing. If you have not enough space on your harddisk.

In the display manager you can choose one of the installed desktop systems which you want so use for your needs.

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