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Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:11 pm
by LeeK
I'm sure most of you already know this but Boo is updating the very first post in the “Isadora KDE Development Progress” thread to report his progress. I kept looking for new posts and then realized he was just adding to the first post.

I know it is a little late to request features but I am looking for a system with strong paperless office support. I am trying to reduce the paper I use. I personally don't care about social networking, or music stores. I am looking for a stable secure system to do business/office type work and scan and print to PDF.

My only Linux experience is a couple of years dual booting Ubuntu. I'm not too excited with the changes in the interface so after looking around a little I have been drawn to KDE. A quick search for the best KDE distribution always seems to come up with OpenSuse and Mandriva. I consider myself an ordinary computer user with a couple years experience using Ubuntu so I would prefer to stick with a Debian distribution. The only review of Kubuntu that I found seems very negative. I'm not sure if is really a fair review though as the main criticism seems to revolve around a lack of heavy branding. What I am trying to say with my rambling is that there doesn't seem to be a highly rated KDE distribution in the Debian family. It looks like Debian is in need of a KDE distribution along the lines of OpenSuse and Mandriva. I am really hoping the Mint developers will look at the best KDE distributions and do for KDE what they have done for Gnome.

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:29 pm
by rec9140
LeeK wrote:Iw of Kubuntu that I found seems very negative. I'm not sure if is really a fair review though as the main criticism seems to revolve around a lack of heavy branding.
Any review of that trash is going to be negative, and well deserved. Its garbage.
LeeK wrote: What I am trying to say with my rambling is that there doesn't seem to be a highly rated KDE distribution in the Debian family. It looks like Debian is in need of a KDE distribution along the lines of OpenSuse and Mandriva. I am really hoping the Mint developers will look at the best KDE distributions and do for KDE what they have done for Gnome.
I disagree... KMint is the #1 BEST, and ONLY KDE Distro that is up to the task of Linux for all. I've tried all the KDE debian based distros and KMint is head and shoulders and more beyond them. I can not and will not touch that tainted distro from the N company. Although I like their idea of the "creator" thing to create a customized distro (HINT! HINT! HINT!) ... but they are tainted in many ways and also not Debian based. No hiding *I* have HUGE problems with the upstream end of KDE land, but that aside what the KMint team does is PRICELESS.

And whats more proof that the KMint team have got it together... they take the trash that Kubuntu puts out and put out a TOP NOTCH DISTRO! Talk about lead to gold! True alchemist's in the KMint team...

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:18 am
by manny
Leek, I have been using LM KDE8 Helena since release and I'm very happy with its performance and easy of use, it is based on Kubuntu 9.10 but is like day and night. The only problem I accounted was during the installation, the progress bar wasn't moving but it was installing on the background, once installed it was "wow" and till today I have been enjoying it greatly. Give it a try and judge by yourself.

Regards
manny

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:20 pm
by Catmint
awoe wrote:My suggestions: SMPlayer as default video player (it have very good subtitles support)
Agreed, SMplayer is great 8)
awoe wrote:KNetworkManager is better solution than (GNOME) NetworkManager
Certainly not. Dsl support in KNetworkManager is badly broken :x
NetworkManager (nm-applet) "just works" :mrgreen:

Please include:
- GQview (or Geeqie, as it's called now) - best image viewer so far (I'm not too fond of Gwenview).
- KTorrent (if not already included)
- Qtcurve style
- Lancelot menu
- Superkaramba
- Cairo dock
LeeK wrote:The only review of Kubuntu that I found seems very negative.
It's not all that great indeed.
Since Mint 9 Kde (even just a RC) will obviously still quite some time, I've tried a different approach now: installed Ubuntu 10.04 x64, updated it and then installed all the Kde stuff on top of it, but *without* the Kubuntu modifications :twisted:
Kde 4.4.2 from the Ubuntu repos was a bit instable (got random X crashes), but after updating to 4.4.3 from the Kubuntu ppas, no problems so far - it runs surprisingly good :o

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:25 am
by vortexmak
Catmint wrote:
awoe wrote:KNetworkManager is better solution than (GNOME) NetworkManager
Certainly not. Dsl support in KNetworkManager is badly broken :x
NetworkManager (nm-applet) "just works" :mrgreen:
Well GNM cant permanently switch off my WiFi, every time I reboot I have to uncheck it.
Catmint wrote: Please include:
- KTorrent (if not already included)
- Lancelot menu
KTorrent is already included
I second Lancelot, its better than Kickoff, though a bit slower

I also suggest some application for customising GTK theme as well since GNOME apps and they look ugly with the default GTK theme

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:09 pm
by baffle-boy
lancelot is already included in mint 8 kde, just add the plasmoid. also, kickoff is way sexier :wink:

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:22 pm
by dequire
I'd like to recommend that the Webkit-based rekonq browser be considered as part of the standard install, if not the only default included browser. Seems it will be the default in Kubuntu 10.10. It's an excellent and wicked-fast KDE-native (Qt) browser that uses the same rendering engine as Chrome and Google Chromium. Though it lacks some plug-ins at the moment, it's blazing fast and integrates with KWallet for password management. It also imports Firefox bookmarks.

See: Rekonq: A Quick Glance At Kubuntu Next Default Browser

I recommend all Mint KDE users check it out. It's currently in the repos.

Cheers,

James

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:08 am
by nico
thanks Dequire,
i downloaded rekonq (uest ?) and tried it.
It looks a really light browser , powerful though, excellent for privacy but still lacks of plugins and a better flash and java support.
I am sure it will be improved during the next months, both FF and Chrome were not so wonderful at their beginnings .........

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 12:26 pm
by dequire
nico wrote:thanks Dequire,
i downloaded rekonq (uest ?) and tried it.
It looks a really light browser , powerful though, excellent for privacy but still lacks of plugins and a better flash and java support.
I am sure it will be improved during the next months, both FF and Chrome were not so wonderful at their beginnings .........
An upcoming version will support Chrome extensions, by the way. And hopefully, with HTML5, Java just goes away :)

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 9:04 am
by sgx
Hi, just installed mint 9 yesterday, very nicely done, and the KDE desktop 4.4.2 today, and my request
would be a KDE 3.5.10 PPA, without official support, replete with dire warnings of incompatibility.
I would be embarrassed to demonstrate the 4.4.2 configuration process to a human, meaningless new
terminology, oddball widgets scattered like the aftermath of a tornado, menus assembled by random-seed generation :evil:
What a letdown. :( After all this time, I expected more than just nice pictures. Glad I saved my old collection of .debs :)

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 5:24 pm
by nico
Glad to hear it, i am looking forward Rekonq next release :D

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 8:06 pm
by rec9140
nico wrote:Glad to hear it, i am looking forward Rekonq next release :D
Not as the default or in place of Konqi... no thanks.

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 12:24 pm
by LindseyD.
sgx wrote:Hi, just installed mint 9 yesterday, very nicely done, and the KDE desktop 4.4.2 today, and my request
would be a KDE 3.5.10 PPA, without official support, replete with dire warnings of incompatibility.
Probably getting off-topic here, but could you explain this a little? I hate KDE 4, which seems all bling and no functionality. If it's possible to revert to KDE 3x, I'd do it in a flash.

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 12:48 pm
by tonyric
LindseyD. wrote:
sgx wrote:Hi, just installed mint 9 yesterday, very nicely done, and the KDE desktop 4.4.2 today, and my request
would be a KDE 3.5.10 PPA, without official support, replete with dire warnings of incompatibility.
Probably getting off-topic here, but could you explain this a little? I hate KDE 4, which seems all bling and no functionality. If it's possible to revert to KDE 3x, I'd do it in a flash.
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52332

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:52 pm
by LindseyD.
Thanks for the link, but I guess I should have been clearer. The word that caught my eye was "incompatibility." Incompatible with what?

(I'm assuming "official support" means Mint?)

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:16 am
by sgx
LindseyD. wrote:
Thanks for the link, but I guess I should have been clearer. The word that caught my eye was "incompatibility." Incompatible with what?

(I'm assuming "official support" means Mint?)
Hi, since KDE 3.5.10 is 'old', it would be unreasonable to assume full compatibility with current libs and apps.
Nor would I expect the same support from Mint developers, as they would offer to their mainstream users.
So my suggestion for a 3.5.10 PPA, would interest those who greatly prefer it over KDE 4 variants, and are willing to
deal with any issues without guaranteed support. I save all packages from synaptic, so its easy to do a lite install,
then add in the KDE, and the apps I need. In actuality, specific apps one might commonly upgrade in synaptic, sometimes
require installing KDE4, k3b is a prime example, so I am content to use the 3.5.10 era version of k3b. I mainly use music apps,
few of which have kde related dependencies, but serious users of office, comms, and graphics, might have a bit more of a challenge.
Nice to know someone else likes the older version better!
Cheers

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:34 am
by sgx
tonyric wrote:
LindseyD. wrote:
sgx wrote:Hi, just installed mint 9 yesterday, very nicely done, and the KDE desktop 4.4.2 today, and my request
would be a KDE 3.5.10 PPA, without official support, replete with dire warnings of incompatibility.
Probably getting off-topic here, but could you explain this a little? I hate KDE 4, which seems all bling and no functionality. If it's possible to revert to KDE 3x, I'd do it in a flash.
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52332
Another thankyou for the link. This gives me a solid dose of hope. To me, the panel, its contents, and its configurability are the
keys to productivity. I could help someone new to computing or linux, by having a row of icons, in the order they would most often use them,
on an invisible panel, with menus under the right mouse button. The least confusing interface around, on a modern OS.
Cheers

Edit, I think I'll install an old ubuntu, on a spare hard-disk, change synaptic to save packages in the cache, change the repos to the ones in the above link, update/install all of KDE, do a clonezilla, and burn/copy the packages to media. Then do a Mint 9 install, remove all the apps I never use, do another clonezilla, then install KDE 3.5.10, and if its 'stable enough' (my needs are limited, as noted in another post above) do yet another clonezilla. Glad I bought more coffee today! :)

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:18 am
by LindseyD.
sgx wrote:Hi, since KDE 3.5.10 is 'old', it would be unreasonable to assume full compatibility with current libs and apps.
Okay, the light's starting to dawn. So I'd have to install apps built against KDE 3.5--track them down, hope I'm not missing dependencies, etc. Sounds horribly complicated--I admire your stamina :-)
...require installing KDE4, k3b is a prime example, so I am content to use the 3.5.10 era version of k3b.
Which is buggy in KDE4.
serious users of office, comms, and graphics, might have a bit more of a challenge.
Sigh! You just described me :-(
Nice to know someone else likes the older version better!
Well, the older version worked! And as an aside, once you've got 10 or 12 apps open, who sees the desktop anyway? Or uses the bling, except to switch desktops. Sorry, I'm ranting now.

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:31 pm
by tonyric
LindseyD. wrote:
Thanks for the link, but I guess I should have been clearer. The word that caught my eye was "incompatibility." Incompatible with what?

(I'm assuming "official support" means Mint?)
3.5.x is not compatible with KDE4 apps (of course) so you would need to have that environment installed anyway to run v4 apps if you want them.

Re: Ideas for Isadora KDE

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:56 pm
by dequire
No offense, but you guys really ought to fork this into a different thread, since it's miles off topic. Good luck though - I must admit there's more seeming support for this than I would have ever thought.