thenewguy wrote:Surely you kid, OGG has proven to be a train wreck, that's why no one uses it outside of a few die-hard free software purists.
No, I am not . I disagre, but it has huge hurdles to adoption, and that is the point MP3 is the desired audio format for downloads, streams or files. I will continue to support and offer OGG as I detest thompson/frauhauffer and their gestapo tactics, especially in DE. So a distro aiming to convert users from w to Linux needs to skip the BS zealotry and include the formats needed, and sadly thats MP3.... but thats not at the expense of Ogg.... I want google to shove WebM down the throats of people so it kills off flash and the MPGE-LA can take it elsewhere!
thenewguy wrote:But the point rec and I are both raises is that basing Mint KDE edition off Debian would be a big regression. We'd be missing Ubuntu-specific software, PPAs, and many packages would take a jump backward in version number.
DING DING DING DING! WINNER WINNER!!
I don't see this version being any different than prior versions, the upstream base has been a disaster for years... Until just the last two or so versions its the first ones that I could actually get to boot from the CD/DVD! Its requiring huge amounts of clean up that maybe have not been the case in the past few editions..
So lets get Boo some HELP! ! Lets get the community involved in testing things, developing etc.... I am sure there are some talented developers in the user community, but this closed, walled off, from the community approach is not going to continue work.
thenewguy wrote: Rolling releases aren't suitable for serious work
There are pros and cons to each release style... I think what gets people in to trouble is they see a new version and have to update with out due diligence. Meaning they don't test out a DVD, on the hardware to test compatibility, don't run some VMWare Player VM's to test out things.... just click update...
There are users here who see a new version come out and update... I have Julia on all mine machines, and it will be there till there is an absolute need to upgrade, or I build a new machine. Most installs will stay 2-3 years. Just because there is a new versions every 6 months or so, doesn't mean you have to upgrade... I don't... I will test them out and if they don't fail that testing new machines will get it first, and if there is some huge bug that is fixed then I would consider updating.. but I have not issues like that, right now, so far.. it seems one of my nagging issues was resolved and I didn't know it... but a recent software/hardware test case proved it resolved.
thenewguy wrote:and then there is the issue of whether Mint KDE would include all the non-free software, drivers and firmware the (K)Ubuntu-based Mint uses.
THIS is the THE BIG THING that seems to be getting lost in the shuffle... Again... I am a HUGE DEBIAN FAN.. but there are huge implications to this change that I don't think Mint is ready to handle.
thenewguy wrote: None of these concerns have been addressed and no reason for moving to Debian as a base have been given.
I've been a big fan of Mint KDE for a while now and I'm frustrated that such a change has been made with (apparently) so little discussion and concern for the users. Users who donate some of their time and money to the project and encourage others to do the same.
WELL SAID! Right on the mark!