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Waterfox web browser sold to System1

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Hi, folks.

As there are some forum users, who use the Waterfox web browser, because they consider it a better alternative to the Firefox web browser, these users may be interested in the fact that Waterfox has been sold to a company named "System 1". This company had acquired the search engine "Startpage" before as well.
For more details, please, see this article: Waterfox web browser sold to System1.

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Damn. Waterfox was something I was going to test in a few months time, but now I'll blacklist it. Thanks Karlchen.
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cliffcoggin wrote:
Waterfox was something I was going to test in a few months time, but now I'll blacklist it.
Have you considered trying Pale Moon?

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I'll withhold judgement until I know more.
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Moem wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:07 pm
I'll withhold judgement until I know more.
Actually, this is similar to what the author of the linked article said at the end of the article as well.

And maybe the Waterfox developer's words should be taken into consideration as well. Alex Kontos has published a blog post on the same topic only today, Friday 14-Feb-2020: Waterfox has joined System1
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From the link about the sale on ghacks net - "System1 is an advertising company that tries to 'make advertising better and safer, while respecting consumer privacy'."

Isn't that a contradictory statement, dumping advertising on a viewer and consumer privacy?

Also does ublock origin work on Waterfire?

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UBlock Origin works fine on Waterfox, as do all Firefox add-ons, as far as I know.
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There's an old saying that a man can not serve two masters that applies here. A privacy focussed browser is never going to be compatible with the aims of an advertising company.
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Well said cliffcoggin.

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Let's hear it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
https://www.waterfox.net/blog/waterfox- ... d-system1/
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Thanks for your link Moem. I find Alex Kontos' explanations very understandable - especially his sleepless nights and that he was practically solely responsible for the entire project. I wish him not to be ripped off.
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As this is the very first time I've heard the name "Waterfox" I have no particular dog in this fight, so to speak.

Back when I still was using Classic Mac OS, I bounced between Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator. When I switched to Mac OS X, I continued to use them, until NN kind of fell by the wayside. At some point, I found and started using Firefox, and if I recall correctly, that's the point at which I stopped using multiple browsers. At the time, I was working for Sony in their call center, and that meant at work I used Internet Explorer since that's the only web browser they had installed on their systems. However, I remained a loyal Firefox user pretty much up to the point when Mozilla seemed to stop caring about it and also that Google had released Chrome.

I'm back to using Firefox full-time on my computer because:

1. I've concerns about privacy (given what we know about Google, and not out of any paranoia); and

2. Firefox no longer sucks.

It's taken an insane amount of time for Mozilla to write Firefox for Android where it is not so jacked up as to be unusable, and it is now actually pretty decent. I still like Chrome better, but I use FF instead because of those same basic privacy concerns.

I've tried Brave and some others — even Opera — but I really just can't take a shine to any of them. In reading Alex's explanatory blog, I appreciate where he's coming from. I don't really believe it's about people who are paranoid about security; rather, I think the people who've been rude to him are like Internet trolls anywhere: emboldened by anonymity, they are the scum which rises to the surface of any public Internet discourse.

So, does anyone here use Waterfox? If so, what do you think of it?
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I use Waterfox and GNU/IceCat on the Mac. IceCat is a bit old, but it's just the fastest browser I've ever installed on macOS ... The developers of these two browsers always ponder and dig a little in Firefox - and occasionally throw something left out.
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I only use Firefox (most of the time), Chrome (some of the time) and Chromium (rarely). But I'm rather shocked after reading the statement by Alex Kontos: the insults, bullying and abuse he apparently has had to endure throughout the years are appalling. As "thanks" for giving the world his project, for God's sake.... :shock:

Yet somehow I'm not surprised. Things can get quite nasty on the internet from time to time, and in all countries of the world there are some highly vocal sh*ts around. They can occasionally even drown out the voice of the reasonable majority and do a lot of damage to reputations and motivations.
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Portreve wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:09 am
So, does anyone here use Waterfox? If so, what do you think of it?
It's my primary browser, so you can probably guess what I think of it.
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Moem wrote:
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Portreve wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:09 am
So, does anyone here use Waterfox? If so, what do you think of it?
It's my primary browser, so you can probably guess what I think of it.
Obviously you must hate it. :lol:
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A bit surprised I missed this thread. Had a text this morning about the sale, I was oblivious to it. Will have to see what happens as this is my browser of choice having migrated from Firefox as my main browser at the time they changed to Quantum.

I'm wondering if PaleMoon may be a suitable alternative .. will need to support my addons and customizations. Need to research this .. again .. :|
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BG405 wrote:
I'm wondering if PaleMoon may be a suitable alternative .. will need to support my addons and customizations.
What are your add-ons and customizations?

https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/

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Not that I'm going to be suspicious of Waterfox if you folks here are talking about and basically vouching for it, but it is strange that there's no direct way to install it, nor are there (as far as I can tell) any instructions on the Waterfox web site for how to install it. That, to me, is a complete show-stopper.
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That is certainly a weak point, I agree.
I'm using the popular Hawkeye PPA, I'm using the Classic version (which allows pretty much all old FF add-ons) and I followed the instructions here: https://software.opensuse.org//download ... lassic-kpe
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