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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by pacho37 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:30 pm

z31fanatic wrote:Oh yeah, all those MS schmucks in Redmond are sitting in their cubicals going through thousands of reports a day from us users because they have nothing else to do. They get off looking at pictures of your dog you posted on Facebook.
Is this a strawman or reductio ad absurdum? Either way a logical fallacy: the original claim was that 'Microsoft collects some data' not that 'Microsoft collects all data'. Besides, I think people realise that the process is to a very large extent automated and there are no thousands of Microsoft employees tracking all social media sites 24/7.
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Post by mike acker » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:16 am

according to scuttlebutt the builders of $soft/os are going to finally clean up their act!!

rebuild the HQ building
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Post by BigEasy » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:46 am

No. They found they have not enough space where to store personal data.
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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by MtnDewManiac » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:26 pm

mike acker wrote:according to scuttlebutt the builders of $soft/os are going to finally clean up their act!!

rebuild the HQ building
So... They're as much a day late and a dollar short in their building architecture as they are in their OS? Seems like every time (which, to be fair, isn't that often, because I don't closely follow an OS I no longer have any personal interest in) I hear about some "new" feature (err... the good ones, I mean :roll: ) in a Microsoft OS, it's something that has been available in linux for a while.

Next, they'll be talking about how they're going to add- no, wait, that would be too daring; they'll probably wait until Windows 23.

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by craig10x » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:28 am

There won't be a windows 23, or even an 11 for that matter...from windows 10 on, it becomes basically a rolling model...in fact, in the near future, they are going to drop the number after it, and it will just be called windows...

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by pacho37 » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:08 am

this is interesting too: Microsoft will download W10 data to your W7 and W8 computers even if you don't have any plans to upgrade. So not only Microsoft decides how you are supposed to use you HD/SSD space they also limit your network bandwidth at will: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new ... st-in-case
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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by altair4 » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:53 am

Only if you have chosen to receive automatic updates through Windows Update.

They ( Microsoft ) clearly didn't think this through or just assumed everyone is on a gigabit internet system.

Microsoft Marketing has always been in control of Microsoft engineering so this is to be expected.
- In 30 days the install base of Windows 10 is 3 times the install base of Linux on the desktop. That didn't happen by accident.
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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by Pierre » Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:06 am

and yet another:
"Windows 10 may already be on your PC even if you don’t want it ?".
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/09/10/window ... t-want-it/

if so - it's very poor on the part of Microsoft
- windows-10 is barely a month old, and it's reputation is already questionable.
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Post by reddot » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:39 pm

Pierre wrote:and yet another:
"Windows 10 may already be on your PC even if you don’t want it ?".
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/09/10/window ... t-want-it/
Bryan Lunduke (linux.com) wrote: “Linux is Communism!”

This seems to be one of the favorite pastimes of a few previous executives at Microsoft -- to try to fit the words “Linux” and “Communism” in the same sentence as often as possible. I assume there’s a scoreboard, somewhere in Redmond, keeping track.

There’s only one teensy, tiny flaw in comparing “Open Source” and “Linux” to “Communism”: It’s about as real as dressing a dog up as a spider. Sure, it’s big and scary and looks like a spider… but it’s still just a big, cuddly dog (that takes up most of the bed at night).

One of the cornerstones of Communism is the concept of “common ownership”. Which is, distilled to its simplest form, a way of saying “nobody owns anything -- and everybody owns everything”. The obvious implication, when connecting this ideology with Linux and Open Source / Free Software is that, in the Open Source model of software development… nobody owns anything. Thus, clearly, destroying one's ability to control, and generate revenue from, a piece of software.

Fortunately, this isn’t the case. Not at all. Here’s a few quick “fun facts” that immediately destroy any idea that there’s a link between Communism and Linux:

1) The license being used by Linux (the GPL) allows for software to be copywritten. If someone writes a piece of software, they own the copyright to the code they wrote.

2) You can sell Linux if you want to -- in fact many companies do. The only real requirement is that, if you do, you also need to make any changes to the source code of Linux also available to your customers. Not to the whole world (if you don’t want to)… just to your customers.

3) Linux (and Free and Open Source software in general) is depended on, and monetized by, a large number of companies around the world. SUSE, Canonical, Red Hat, Samsung, HTC, Google, Amazon, Microsoft (that’s right, even Microsoft)… the list goes on and on and on.

The truth is remarkably clear. Linux is like lighter fluid on the fire of Capitalism.

Side Note: Part of the problem here is in the name: “Free Software”. Note that the “F” is capitalized and “Free” doesn’t actually mean “free” as in “I got some stuff that I didn’t have to pay for!”. I know. That’s a little confusing and has been a bit of a marketing and image problem for many years (blame this guy). Luckily that’s all it is… just a naming issue.
The article above is from https://www.linux.com/news/software/app ... n-legends/

i guess the tables have turned and now its time for microsoft to admit theyre communist. pierre if that article is accurate, i feel like your forcing me for a freaking update i dont want, and hey let me prep your system. 3.5gb-6gb of space i will accumulate just in case i decide to update? even if i did not opt in? wth

whats next, if i opt in for windows 10 i might be forced to update? i never opt in for windows 10 since when i bought my laptop with windows 8.1 it was asking me to update it, i dont have time for that, endless restarts, wait for the system to update it self, restart, and again restart. It sounds like microsoft is into butt stuff, and im force to like butt stuff. not that theres anything wrong with that right? BUT i dont like butt stuff im with Gary Johnston from Team America: World Police "to much cursing involved to post quote about dicks, pussies and assholes".

i dont use windows anymore... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by mike acker » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:56 pm

your computer should do what you tell it to do,-- and nothing more

a computer that is controlled by a remote link is a hazard and un-acceptable.
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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by pacho37 » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:14 pm

mike acker wrote:your computer should do what you tell it to do,-- and nothing more

a computer that is controlled by a remote link is a hazard and un-acceptable.
+1

surprising that so many people either don't care or seem to accept the status quo as if it were the most natural thing under the sun.
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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by MtnDewManiac » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:10 am

reddot wrote:i guess the tables have turned and now its time for microsoft to admit theyre communist.
Why would they do something like that? It's obviously a capitalist corporation, run by capitalist individuals. If "the powers that be" at Microsoft didn't think there was any money to be had from their new business model, they wouldn't have advanced it. :roll:

They're also aware of the concept of ownership. They just want to own it all, lol.

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by reddot » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:59 am

MtnDewManiac wrote:
reddot wrote:i guess the tables have turned and now its time for microsoft to admit theyre communist.
Why would they do something like that? It's obviously a capitalist corporation, run by capitalist individuals.
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It really drills down to money, sadly. when i read Pierre article I got really angry , even if the article was not true, LOL. So my response was based on anger, communist os? maybe red star os? well you dont have much of a choice do you in NK? i should have red star by tomorrow im interested in looks and stability.

no one is forcing me to use windows, osx, solaris, BSD, linux, chromium, etc... im glad as of right now i have a choice.

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by mintybits » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:02 am

It would be naive to assume MS is either trustworthy or competent with your private data. MS has always been an unscrupulous company, starting with deceiving IBM about QDOS' readiness and more recently being heavily fined for breaching European competition law. I imagine that their corporate culture is no different today. Why should it be...they have the largest market share and a semi-monopoly so that culture must be working. :wink:

MS is not a company run by an individual with autonomy and integrity. It is run by a bunch of greedy suits who are in turn run by shareholders. None of these people give a damn about anything other than money and lawsuits...they are paid for making money. They dont care about how. They dont care about making the world a better place. They arent on an ethical crusade. Eg: They would never in a million years have introduced the equivalent of the GPL for the good of society.

So wake up, beware and don't sit by and allow them to abuse your trust.

Thank goodness for Linux. 8)
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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by mintybits » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:18 am

There are two areas I would like Linux to focus on so I and my family are not dependent on Windows nor exposed to insecure cloud services. And with MS' new data slurping policies I feel an urgency to rid my home of Windows except for games on an isolated PC.

1) file encyption/decryption built in to the OS for files put ony any cloud service. At-source cryption with open-source software is the only way to know that no one else has a key.

2) Wine (or an equivalent) as to work properly. I last tried it a few years back and it was rubbish. I installed it again a couple of days ago and it still looks tatty (some basic window behaviour is broken), but I havent tried running MS Office on it. I'll report back. Better still would be if MS ported to Linux, but that will be a cold day in Hell...

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by MtnDewManiac » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:58 am

reddot wrote:It really drills down to money
In a way, that can be a good thing. If there was a "money" motive in the linux world, the user experience would probably - IMHO - be far less akin to trying to herd a dozen dozen cats. Who are angry. And rabid. And on some feline form of psychedelic :roll: .

The only real problem with money (again, merely "IMHO" and possibly not a universally held belief, lol) is that it's a "capitalist" thing. Which, by itself, is not a problem - it's that even in "capitalist" societies... Well, there simply aren't any - they're bastardized versions of socialism. In a truly capitalist world, linux would cost money, too - because, after all, a great deal of work was and is put into developing it and it is, for many, a very valuable product. Coupled with the fact that a far higher percentage of the world's population would be educated (ignorance not being very profitable in a capitalist society :roll: ) on things that touch and/or affect their lives (which is to say, almost everything)... Windows 10 and all of Microsoft's other OS would have a lower market share. Far lower, I'd think. In our socialist societies, people can basically survive by doing nothing more than going to their mailbox and collecting their stipend from their government (or is that done electronically now? IDK). What passes for the middle class has been narcotized and numbed, embraces its ignorance like a lover, and delights in being distracted by shiny things. Governments the world over vocally and vociferously decry the status quo... whilst being secretly (or, these days, not so secretly because, well, why bother at this point?) delighted with it, for not only does the situation help enable them... well, we all know that revolutions have come from the middle class far more often than not, and the powers in power are anything but fools.

But the above is "somewhat" political in nature (as so much in the multiverse is, at heart) so I shan't continue in that vein and will only state that Microsoft's OS in general will continue to hold the #1 spot on the OS chart. Will Windows 10 gain markedly in popularity? Probably. Does it matter if it doesn't? No, not at all, lol. Microsoft can always release suitable updates over time to make older versions of its OS more "Tenlike" in the ways that matter to them (and I suspect that its GUI aspects don't). And they can always release "11." I don't seriously think threats of fines will dissuade the Big M (because I have heard cancer referred to as the Big C :lol: ) in any significant way. Or actual fines, either, come to think of it - what's a few hundred million dollars/euros to a corporation that is worth, what, north of 350 billion dollars? Or, to use an analogy that the United States citizens in the audience would understand (sorry, IDK enough about the salaries/fines in "world" football to have any idea whether or not it translates), when sports players who make millions of dollars per year get fined a few thousand dollars for their on-field antics, is it a surprise to anyone at all when they continue to misbehave? In relative terms, I'd pay far more for a speeding ticket (or a week's worth of groceries). I'd guess that, to Microsoft, anything less than or equal to, IDK, 18% of their total worth would fall under the heading of "the cost of doing business." 18% of $350B is $63,000,000,000. If the cost of fines/sanctions/et cetera approach that amount and it looks like more will be coming, Microsoft will simply do what every other corporation (that wanted to survive and maintain profitability) has done, to whit, spin off a child company and divest the liability to it. And walk away smiling.

BtW... Isn't Apple worth about twice what the bit M is?

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by MtnDewManiac » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:24 am

mintybits wrote:And with MS' new data slurping policies
I wonder how new they really are.
mintybits wrote:I feel an urgency to rid my home of Windows except for games on an isolated PC.
Or you could just rid your home of (Microsoft's) Windows. <--- That's a period - it's there for a reason.
mintybits wrote:1) file encyption/decryption built in to the OS for files put ony any cloud service. At-source cryption with open-source software is the only way to know that no one else has a key.
Built into the OS? Do you mean built into the kernel? Or into Mint? And why must it be built in? Not everyone chooses to use encryption. (Admittedly, we probably should, but...) Building it into an OS - or, more probably, the linux kernel - sort of locks everyone in to ONE means of encryption, doesn't it? That doesn't seem to be "the linux way."

Is there a problem with encrypting files and uploading them to / downloading them from a "cloud" repository now? Do these cloud things refuse encrypted files? If so, it is most likely because they want to be able to access your data, lol, and I'd expect them to have issues with the same in the future if they have issues with it now.

But, be that as it may... Encrypt whatever you like, however you like. It'll certainly (well... probably :wink: ) keep the twelve-year old script-kiddie down the street that has been regularly intercepting your WiFi transmissions (both ways) since he turned ten from reading your files. But the US government has only had "very strict" restrictions on the exportation of encryption technology since 1992 and was gradually eased from then to... 2000, IIRC. You can take that as evidence that said government is "pretty confident" of being able to run riot through any popularly available encryption like plasma through warm butter. In my heart of hearts, I cannot seriously, truly, convince myself that (at least some) corporate entities don't have the same capabilities (if not better). After all, they build/built the hardware - and they pay, on average, much better than governments do.

Coincidentally - or perhaps not? Lol(?????) - I just tried to access the Wikipedia article on "Export of cryptography from the United States" in order to verify the above two years that I mentioned... and my web browser completely locked up for about 20 seconds. Go figure. Time to strap on my Faraday cage hat and turn in for the night, methinks.
mintybits wrote:2) Wine (or an equivalent) as to work properly.
No it doesn't. Using "Microsoft OS native" applications still supports Microsoft's product. If for no other reason, because it supports those entities that refuse to develop linux-native applications. Stop using Microsoft's OS. Stop using applications written for Microsoft's OS. Stop using hardware that is purposed "for Windows™." That's half the battle won, right there. Part of the other half is advocacy and the rest of it is (and I had decided not to go there again, but just this once...) political in nature - identify the politicians who have shown that they are supportive of Microsoft (and other entities that behave in similar ways and/or who may have comparable goals), actively campaign against them, and advance suitable alternatives. I would not dream of telling you who I believe fall under each category, as this is not the venue. But I do wish you luck.

I wish all of us luck.

We're going to need it....

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by craig10x » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:51 am

By the way, someone here previously mentioned he doesn't like the idea of auto updates because of endless restarts...that just isn't true anymore (as of windows 10)...first of all, mostly what i get each day is windows defender definition updates and they do not require restarts... and when there is a large package of updates, it only requires 1 restart and it finishes VERY QUICKLY (like maybe 2 minutes tops) and then logs you right back in! In fact, it does NOT just automatically restart while you are in the middle of doing things....it gives you the option of triggering it when you would like it to...or immediately (if that is your preference)...

Also, updates are extremely reliable...they go through a lot of filters before they reach you....first, microsoft testing then to the "insiders" fast ring then "insiders" slow ring then FINALLY to the general users...

Windows 10 has LOTS of improvements over the older windows...it's a whole different Os now...much better, actually :D

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by z31fanatic » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:27 am

mintybits wrote:There are two areas I would like Linux to focus on so I and my family are not dependent on Windows nor exposed to insecure cloud services. And with MS' new data slurping policies I feel an urgency to rid my home of Windows except for games on an isolated PC.
For all the venom that you spit, you still use Windows in regular basis it seems. A bit hypocritical of you, no? :roll:

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Re: Your opinions on Windows 10 so far..

Post by mintybits » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:43 am

z31fanatic wrote:
mintybits wrote:There are two areas I would like Linux to focus on so I and my family are not dependent on Windows nor exposed to insecure cloud services. And with MS' new data slurping policies I feel an urgency to rid my home of Windows except for games on an isolated PC.
For all the venom that you spit, you still use Windows in regular basis it seems. A bit hypocritical of you, no? :roll:
Who are you? Your responses are very defensive about Micro$oft and now you are making this personal which is naughty.
I do not "use" Windows...I use MS Office. Or rather, family members who are required to by their institutions do. So using MS products is unavoidable, unfortunately. But using Windows OS is not required, except for some games.

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