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Post by Pat D » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:35 pm

Before the Dawn
Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors
by Nicholas Wade

An absolutely fascinating look at the development of human societies during the species' expansion out of Africa and across the globe. Where the author's info may be disputed, this is acknowledged. An honest book of great delight.

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Post by catweazel » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:52 am

Does the author acknowledge that the 'out of Africa' theory is now disputed by 'out of Asia' evidence?
A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. - Max Planck

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Post by Pat D » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:00 am

I believe you're talking developments of a more recent nature; they will be chewed over for a long time before there's any consensus.
There may be flaws in this book, actually I know there are, however, that does not take away from the whole here.
A fascinating and thought-provoking book.

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Post by catweazel » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:08 am

Pat D wrote:A fascinating and thought-provoking book.
More fascinating and more thought-provoking is the idea that, as apes, we merely got lucky with having brains developed enough to support a conscious mind. If not for that fluke of nature we might all be cockroaches now.
A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. - Max Planck

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Re: Reading Recommendation

Post by BenTrabetere » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:35 am

catweazel wrote:More fascinating and more thought-provoking is the idea that, as apes, we merely got lucky with having brains....
I do not know if it is more fascinating or thought-provoking, but many years a paper was published in The Journal of Irreproducible Results entitled "The Scent of Man." Not the "ascent" or the "descent" - it was more of a lateral move.

It postulated the success of human kind was not based on our intelligence, but on our stupidity. Our ancestors took to walking because they were too stupid to climb back into the trees, invented tools like spears and arrows because they too stupid to take on something their own size, etc.

Sadly, I am unable to locate the article online. If you are not familiar with JIR, here are a couple fascinating, thought-provoking papers it published.
How to Make a Hummingbird Stew Feeder
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/649736/posts

Utilizing Infinite Loops to Compute an Approximate Value of Infinity
http://www-user.slac.stanford.edu/jimstan/Infinity.htm

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Re: Reading Recommendation

Post by catweazel » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:52 am

BenTrabetere wrote:It postulated the success of human kind was not based on our intelligence, but on our stupidity. Our ancestors took to walking because they were too stupid to climb back into the trees, invented tools like spears and arrows because they too stupid to take on something their own size, etc.
I can relate to that. I've always said that modern society is firmly built upon human stupidity.
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Re: Reading Recommendation

Post by Moem » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:20 am

catweazel wrote:I've always said that modern society is firmly built upon human stupidity.
Well, that's at least something that is not going to be in short supply any day soon...
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Re: Reading Recommendation

Post by catweazel » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:33 am

Moem wrote:
catweazel wrote:I've always said that modern society is firmly built upon human stupidity.
Well, that's at least something that is not going to be in short supply any day soon...
If stupidity ever reaches $0.000001 cents per tonne, my wife will be very rich. She has drilling rights on my head.
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Re: Reading Recommendation

Post by Faust » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:43 am

catweazel wrote:I can relate to that. I've always said that modern society is firmly built upon human stupidity.
Not just modern society .....
You reminded me of something that dear old Frank Zappa said ( quoted from memory )

" Scientists say the universe is built from hydrogen , because it is more abundant than anything else ,
but if that reasoning is correct , the universe must surely be built out of stupidity "


I've long thought of making a power station that runs on stupidity ( although my early experiments were frankly disappointing ) .
But how about mindless chatter ? -
That is a definite physical force and there's loads of it , wherever people congregate , and the airwaves are absolutely PACKED with it !
I feel a Nobel Prize coming on .....

What was the thread topic again ?
My mind wanders if it's not kept on a short leash .
" And so it goes " - Kurt Vonnegut
The modern reality and the satirical parody are rapidly converging .

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Re: Reading Recommendation

Post by Portreve » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:41 pm

Hmm...

Guns of the South, an alternative-history fiction novel by Harry Turtledove.

Nine Princes in Amber by Roger Zelazny

Battlestar Galactica: Armageddon a reboot attempt by Richard Hatch
Everything is in hand. With this tapestry... and with patience, there is nothing one cannot achieve.

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Re: Reading Recommendation

Post by Pat D » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:33 pm

Roger Zelazny.
My All-Time favourite writer, across all genres.
"Lord of Light" is superb.

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Re: Reading Recommendation

Post by jimallyn » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:18 am

“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” - Albert Einstein
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