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Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by mike acker » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:46 am

Article found this morning

Ubuntu 18.04 Will Be A “First-class” VM Guest In Microsoft Hyper-V

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In a blog post (Via: The Register), Microsoft has announced that it’s
making the Linux virtualization experience better and aiming to make it
as good as Windows client VM experience. To do so, the company collaborated
with XRDP to bring an open source implementation of Microsoft’s RDP protocol to Linux.

As a result, the company is making Ubuntu 18.04 a “first-class” guest under Microsoft Hyper-V.
It’ll bring benefits to your session like copying-pasting to Linux VM.
A brief list of major features is here:
IMHO this is backward: The way to do this is to launch Linux, then Virtualbox; load Windows as a virtual guest, "as needed"

Thoughts?
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Re: Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by Pierre » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:17 am

the thing is that Microsoft Hyper-V is a method of running your VMs on BareMetal.
- it's a similar way, as the BareMetal Host system is run.
so, that's supposed to run your VMs much closer to Native Speed - - like the Host system is.

it's also a competitor to using software methods, such as those from Oracle & VMware
- which are so much slower, have to share resources, etc etc.

so, yeah - M$ is trying to be up & cozy with all other operating systems,
and as such, those Linux Systems are the obvious target(s).
& that Ubuntu system, would be a prize target, indeed.
:roll:

then again, from the other side - - most folks, who are running any Linux based system,
have usually made a deliberate move away from all things from Microsoft,
& thus would be rather reluctant to use any system from Microsoft, to "run their Linux system"
whether that's within / adjacent to the Microsoft Host System, or what ever.

there are supposed to be "some advantages" to a select few, who do run both Windows & Linux systems,
but, they would be a small group, who would benefit from this method, whereas the majority of Linux Users,
would not see any benefit in using this method, at all. :shock:

as an aside - - you have to "upgrade to Windows Professional" to use the function,
ie: it's not available for those who do use the Home Edition of Windows . . . .

an cynical person, could also it's a way of encouraging folks to "upgrade their windows"
- to a more expensive version of the Windows system.
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Re: Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by mike acker » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:27 am

Pierre wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:17 am
the thing is that Microsoft Hyper-V is a method of running your VMs on BareMetal.
- it's a similar way, as the BareMetal Host system is run.
so, that's supposed to run your VMs much closer to Native Speed - - like the Host system is.

it's also a competitor to using software methods, such as those from Oracle & VMware
- which are so much slower, have to share resources, etc etc.
Thanks; very interesting.

did the get Intel to build VM into the x86 chips? it would be interesting if you booted your MoBo and it came up as a VM host...
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Re: Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by Fred Barclay » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:46 pm

Pierre wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:17 am
there are supposed to be "some advantages" to a select few, who do run both Windows & Linux systems,
but, they would be a small group, who would benefit from this method...
I'll be one of those. If/when our IT upgrades us from Windows 7 to 10, the whole "Bash on Windows" thingamabob and this new stuff will probably be rather helpful to me.

Currently I can only use virtualbox (or my laptop) if I want to run something in Linux as IT doesn't let us dual-boot. :(
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Re: Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by MintBean » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:18 pm

I'm with the OP. I want the security and reliability of Linux as my base OS with everything else running 'on top.' I'm no expert, but Linux has it's share of bare metal hypervisors IIRC.

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Re: Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by Pierre » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:20 am

Fred Barclay wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:46 pm
Currently I can only use virtualbox (or my laptop) if I want to run something in Linux as IT doesn't let us dual-boot. :(
and that situation, will most likely remain, as your IT Dept won't allow Hyper-V - either.
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Re: Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by Fred Barclay » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:38 am

Pierre wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:20 am
Fred Barclay wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:46 pm
Currently I can only use virtualbox (or my laptop) if I want to run something in Linux as IT doesn't let us dual-boot. :(
and that situation, will most likely remain, as your IT Dept won't allow Hyper-V - either.
:roll:
If I'm reading the docs right it's already included in Windows 10 Enterprise and just has to be activated through admin power shell, right?
If so, I can do it. I've got admin rights. :D
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Re: Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by Pierre » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:15 am

from memory, the Microsoft Hyper-V is available in both Enterprise & Pro editions,
- but not in the Home edition, of course.
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Re: Ubuntu+MSFT -- I wonder where this is headed

Post by xenopeek » Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:31 pm

Many other companies and groups have hypervisors to deliver infrastructure as a service (IaaS). Hyper-V is obviously better positioned to compete if besides Windows servers it can also run Linux servers. Of the top million websites 33% run Windows and the rest runs some variant of Linux or Unix with over half of that (over 36% of total) confirmed to be running Linux (https://w3techs.com/technologies/overvi ... system/all). For cloud servers the percentage of Linux is likely even higher given the availability of Linux based technologies specifically suited for cloud servers. So if you want to compete in the IaaS space you must treat Linux as first tier or you'll loose ground to competitors that do it better.
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