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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by AZgl1500 » Fri May 04, 2018 6:30 pm

I still use Facebook, simply because it is the only way I get any news on family, and some very good friends who have simply abandoned the Internet with a computer.

They have a cellphone period.

When I signed up, the only thing I gave that was real, was my name, and no phone number.
And I will not allow it to link up with anything period.

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by sarge816 » Fri May 04, 2018 6:51 pm

I deleted my Facebook account awhile ago when they started supporting causes that are contrary to my belief system. Same with Google, Netflix, etc. Matter of fact, I researched and completely de-Googled my android phone. It wasn't easy, but I turned my Moto G4 into an almost pure AOSP device. No Google anything, including framework, playstore, playservices, etc. Nada. I even changed all my investments and sold off mutual funds that had scumbag companies in them that I don't like. F*ck Facebook and especially Google, with their millions of dollars in grants to sleezebag organizations.

Amazon has remained precariously in my good graces, but good God, when they piss me off I'm going to be lost. We freaking buy everything through Amazon and love the video streaming service. And yeah, I realize it is all just a symbolic gesture and my measly tracking $$ these companies are missing out on isn't much. But you gotta start somewhere and I sleep better at night.

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by KBD47 » Fri May 04, 2018 7:46 pm

I agree it is getting harder and harder to support many of these mega-companies.
Worth reading: Delete Facebook https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/cle ... ok-instead

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by sarge816 » Sat May 05, 2018 12:39 pm

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By request, quick and dirty tutorial on how to get started on "de-Googling" your android phone.

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by KBD47 » Sun May 06, 2018 7:41 pm

When accumulated private data can be used to manipulate public opinion on a massive scale, privacy is no longer a personal luxury.
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by GS3 » Mon May 07, 2018 6:56 am

I never signed up with Faceboink or any other social netcrap. I do not have any need to be in constant touch with anybody. I do not need to see pix of what they are about to eat for dinner. If they have something worth telling me or showing me then it is worth an email and if it is not worth an email then I did not miss anything.

And I am cutting back any time spent in person with people who are paying more attention to their phone than to me. I think I am going to start making a comment at the first text, a warning at the second and at the third I say buh-bye. Because I try to bear it and it irritates the heck out of me.

Another reason is, as has been said, privacy. I do not care to give all my personal information to corporations which means to the American government. I am old enough to remember when the Soviets were the bad guys because they spied on their people. Now the American government spies on their own people (and everybody else) and they'll issue a gag order so you can't even talk about it.

PS. My wife gave me an iPad already configured, I guess with her information. We use Wechat to communicate and I want to state, for the record, that I find all the photos she sends me very interesting, including that dish of Kung Pao chicken she is about to consume.

Anybody else who wants to communicate with me through Wechat needs to go through my wife because she is my broad band to the outside world.
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by GS3 » Mon May 07, 2018 8:21 am

coffee412 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:58 am
I have always been a believer that the free market takes care of its own problems. If you do not agree with facebook policies then just dont use it. As it stands right now congress is looking to impose more laws on social sites. That IMO is the worst thing you can do. Just let the free market take care of things on this issue.
"Free Market" has to be one of the most misunderstood terms and used to suit any situation. It means whatever anyone wants it to mean and can be used for any purpose. Kind of like "civilization", "patriotism", "Christianism", "Islam", "socialism", etc. On one side of the aisle it is the unquestionable dogma and source of all good while on the other side it is evil and cannot be condemned enough.

I do not think free market means the lawlessness of the jungle. I do not think Somalia is what free-marketers would consider an example to follow. A free market is enhanced, not hindered, by regulation. Our ability to navigate the streets and roads is enhanced by traffic regulations.

We realize that the individual cannot spend a lot of time and effort investigating the safety of a can of baby food and so we require as public policy that certain products meet minimum requirements. Many products and services are regulated and that does not mean it is not a "free market". To offer your services as a lawyer or engineer you need to meet certain requirements because society has determined that is better than letting anyone do it. We set certain minimum requirements when building buildings. We set certain requirements to aircraft maintenance because we do not consider it enough to say "well, if the plane crashed last time then don't fly with them next time".

Similarly, as a society, we set basic rules for many types of contracts. We realize that a bank or any big corporation can spend a lot of money and effort in crafting contracts and that every individual consumer is not on those equal terms. So laws and regulations require some basic requirements which have to be fulfilled. Otherwise, knowing that a consumer is not going to spend a few hundred dollars consulting a lawyer, Facebook could slip a clause which gave them title to your house and car should you ever use the word "empowerment".

Regulations, like almost everything else, can be good or bad but regulation is not opposed or in conflict with freedom of commerce and good regulations will favor and enhance the freedom of commerce.

A certain regulation and uniformity in airline and airport operations means each flight and airport is not an isolated world which has to be learnt separately. Pilots can land in places where they have never been before. Luggage can start out in London and be transferred in Milan to a flight bound for Beijing (well, its destination was Hong Kong but that is another matter). Speaking of which, it is high time luggage allowances were regulated because it is a mess that would benefit from requiring all airlines to include a minimum allowance. Right now, each time you fly you have to spend an hour on an airline's web site and still be confused about what you will be allowed if you buy the ticket. Are we really supposed to do that on several web sites each and every time we fly? A minimum mandatory allowance would simplify things for the great majority of travelers. You are flying from A to B with a stopover at C on two different airlines and with code shares from another airline? Good luck figuring out what you can take. And the airlines love it because at the last moment, when you are checking in, they have you by the wallet. You can either pay whatever they are asking or you can turn around and go home because you won't even be allowed to abandon your suitcase there.

I am pro free markets as they come but let us not paint a caricature which leads to Somalia or Burkina Faso.

I always recommend The Road to Serfdom as a great work which explains why free markets are the best thing since sliced bread and for sliced bread.
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by KBD47 » Mon May 07, 2018 12:14 pm

The problem with the so-called free market is that it also breeds monopolies as one company is swallowed up by another. With Internet we have regional monopolies with 4-5 companies carving up their spaces and gouging consumers in the U.S. Other companies like Google with Youtube have no serious competitor. The same with Facebook. In the past the U.S. broke up monopolies. Now they allow huge companies to merge and become larger still like Charter buying Time Warner Cable. The only reason I'm not paying $80-$100 for decent Internet right now is because of one little local telco in my area offering Internet service, but most people don't have 2 choices for Internet.
Facebook is The Social Media Monopoly. It is a shame that there is no reasonable alternative that also protects privacy and information on its network. The only real option if you care about privacy anymore is to opt out. But too many people are addicted to it and believe they can't live without it. I fear for my upcoming grandchild and other children who will live their entire life under public scrutiny and in the public eye. They will have no concept of the kind of freedom people of my age group grew up with.

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by DAMIEN1307 » Mon May 07, 2018 12:40 pm

Just think of all the money that these "free enterprise" folks like google, facebook, instagram, twitter, etc. are saving all of us in taxes!...The powers that be in different countries no longer have to allocate as many dollars to their respective spy agencies to pay for as many info device gatherers...all they have to do is use what the free enterprise folks already have and operate...the corporations play hoover vacuum on the people, and spy agencies play hoover vacuum on the corporations...simple...welcome to the modern day spy games being played daily in a living room, den or office, near you...lol...DAMIEN
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by GS3 » Mon May 07, 2018 2:09 pm

KBD47 wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 12:14 pm
The problem with the so-called free market is that it also breeds monopolies as one company is swallowed up by another. With Internet we have regional monopolies with 4-5 companies carving up their spaces and gouging consumers in the U.S. Other companies like Google with Youtube have no serious competitor. The same with Facebook. In the past the U.S. broke up monopolies. Now they allow huge companies to merge and become larger still like Charter buying Time Warner Cable. The only reason I'm not paying $80-$100 for decent Internet right now is because of one little local telco in my area offering Internet service, but most people don't have 2 choices for Internet.
Well, the free market, with all its limitations, is the least bad alternative and its drawbacks can be minimized with adequate regulation.

But I take your point that the Government may not be doing their job of regulating as well as they should because the supposedly representatives of the people are more like representatives of big business. "We have the best Congress money can buy" and all that. But in the end, as Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard". You get what you vote for.

But I am old enough to have seen monopolies come and go. They are not as immune as they look. The three big auto makers in the 1960s seemed immune from competition until the Japanese arrived in the 1970s with their little Datsuns. In the 1970s IBM seemed like a huge monopoly and they were, in fact, sued on that account, but it was not the lawsuit that brought them down as much as the arrival of PC computing. Kodak, 'nuff said. Fifteen years ago Microsoft seemed like it was a monopoly which no one could take on but they lost the battle for mobile devices. Speaking of mobile devices. Motorola, Nokia, Blackberry, all seemed to have such an advantage they could not be displaced. The monopoly of today is the has-been of tomorrow. There was Myspace, now there is Facebook and tomorrow there will be something else.
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Mon May 07, 2018 12:14 pm
Facebook is The Social Media Monopoly. It is a shame that there is no reasonable alternative that also protects privacy and information on its network.
How would they make money? How many people would be willing to pay a fee?
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Mon May 07, 2018 12:14 pm
The only real option if you care about privacy anymore is to opt out. But too many people are addicted to it and believe they can't live without it. I fear for my upcoming grandchild and other children who will live their entire life under public scrutiny and in the public eye. They will have no concept of the kind of freedom people of my age group grew up with.
I feel nostalgic sometimes for the simpler times when I grew up but there is no going back. There is only adapting to the new times.
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by KBD47 » Mon May 07, 2018 2:47 pm

GS3 wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 2:09 pm
KBD47 wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 12:14 pm
Facebook is The Social Media Monopoly. It is a shame that there is no reasonable alternative that also protects privacy and information on its network.
How would they make money? How many people would be willing to pay a fee?
KBD47 wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 12:14 pm
The only real option if you care about privacy anymore is to opt out. But too many people are addicted to it and believe they can't live without it. I fear for my upcoming grandchild and other children who will live their entire life under public scrutiny and in the public eye. They will have no concept of the kind of freedom people of my age group grew up with.
I feel nostalgic sometimes for the simpler times when I grew up but there is no going back. There is only adapting to the new times.
I think people are willing to pay a fee for quality services that offer what they want.
The big problem with Facebook is users have no idea what info Facebook has on them, what it is sharing about them, or who that info is being shared with. Facebook has shown its willingness in the past to manipulate its users. And it keeps profiles on non-users. They are really just about as bad as a company can get when it comes to disregarding user privacy and privacy in general.
Of course there is no going back to the past, but someone needs to be asking questions about the harm social media presents to children who can't vote, speak out, or protect themselves.

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by starkturnedlinux » Mon May 07, 2018 6:03 pm

I never used it as a major social networking site in the first place. I keep in touch with friends and family through whatsapp or other messaging apps. But until now I thought that they wouldn't collect data through whatsapp but now I'm thinking that I was wrong. So yes, I no longer trust Facebook and never used it a lot. But since facebook owns whatsapp, I don't trust it either.

But I think it is hard to stay out of facebook's tentacles. I mean I love instagram and use whatsapp a lot.

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by Bolle1961 » Mon May 07, 2018 8:08 pm

KBD47 wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 12:14 pm
Facebook is The Social Media Monopoly. It is a shame that there is no reasonable alternative that also protects privacy and information on its network.
There are alternatives :
Movim https://movim.eu/
Mastodon https://mastodon.social/about
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by lsemmens » Tue May 08, 2018 6:39 am

The problem with faceache is not so much the cr*p they keep or serve to you is the fact that many do neither know, nor care what faceache does. People just want to "keep in touch", which leaves the problem that many want us to "follow" them whether we want the feed or not. My Kids are all the same, and they have all been well trained in computer/internet security from an early age. When my eldest first started high school, the computer teacher told him to turn up for lessons, teach him what he (my son) knew, and he will pass. One of the games I used to play with my kids was "break into the computer". The only thing that they did not break was when I set the boot prompt to black on black. A simple <ctrl>C would have beaten it.:D My two eldest boys both work in related industries now, one in a University, and the other in AV.
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by BG405 » Tue May 08, 2018 11:42 am

There's a new series of adverts in the UK for one of the banks (what, exactly, is a Bank doing providing Internet educational "services"?) showcasing online data collection.

In the past, people referred to "keeping your heart on your sleeve" or something to that effect. Now, people keep all their personal data on their sleeve (sometimes quite literally). So, hopefully, some people will get the message and realize that they are effectively publishing their private and personal diaries for all to see.
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by idle » Tue May 08, 2018 9:56 pm

Its just a theory, but facebook and companies like it 'may' have a vision of a future like Chinas 'social credit system' therefor need as much data on people as possible. Look up Chinas social credit system, its very scary stuff.

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by lsemmens » Tue May 08, 2018 10:27 pm

My analogy when instructing newbies to things on the 'net, be it face ache, email or anything else. Think of anything you say and do on the 'net as trying to have a private conversation with someone who is standing on the other side of the main street of your biggest city. You have to yell just to let them hear you. Those around may, or may not listen. Of those that do, they may, or may not use that information against you later on. And that is a s secure as you can be in the digital world.
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by GS3 » Wed May 09, 2018 6:42 am

People be lazy. People want to share and be in touch but do not want to spend any effort to protect their information. They prefer to not think of the possible consequences and hope they get lucky never have to face them. And when something bad happens they blame everybody but themselves. Same as with not having adequate backups of their data, etc. It's human nature.

Since it came out I use PGP to encrypt any emails I consider I do not want the world to see and a few more just for good measure and to keep in practice. But this requires the other party to use PGP as well. One issue I have with transitioning to Linux is that I cannot find an equivalent, easy to use, GUI encrypting program. Not only do I use PGP for emails but my files on my HDD are also encrypted so I do not worry if my computer is stolen. I keep my PGP keys on a separate USB pen-drive which I remove when I am not using the computer.

Privacy vs. publicity of private information is not a yes/no issue but a continuum where each country and culture will settle somewhere and will consider the others to be wrong. But Kipling already said
"There are nine and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays,
"And—every—single—one—of—them—is—right!"
>> Chinas 'social credit system'

"If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" is an adage equally valid in any country. And when I say "equally valid" I mean "often equally false".

I have been to China often and spent a lot of time there and have always felt safe there. There are things I may not entirely like but I feel it is their country and I should grant them the privilege of running it as they see fit just as we ask the same in return. They have different values and different priorities.

One thing I like in China is that in my dealings with the authorities I always get a feeling they are professional and under tight control. In America you can be driving through Bumfudge, AR, and get a zealously misguided or corrupt or stupid sheriff deputy who can ruin your whole day. I never got that impression in China. But, yeah, they do not have the concept of privacy we have in the west and you can be in a doctor's consultation and people will be milling around like it's their business. It's a totally different culture altogether. (All together: It's a totally different culture!) :)

PS: Just found this comic strip which seems appropriate: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/listening
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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by NoahsArk » Wed May 09, 2018 8:11 pm

I can’t think of one single misanthrope who would approve of Faceache, not a one and that includes myself.

As for Google Tube. Pft! Sat watching Zimermann playing Beethoven’s 5th piano concerto and then half way through some advert for a nasal spray! Yes, as a species, we or rather they, have lost it.

I find Suckerberg creepy.

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Re: Who no longer trusts or uses Facebook?

Post by MurphCID » Thu May 10, 2018 6:59 am

ME! I also am coming to hate You Tube since I keep finding really bizarre "suggestions" that I have no desire to ever watch on my page of subscribed videos.

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