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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by michael louwe » Fri May 11, 2018 7:34 am

@ sphyrth, .......
sphyrth wrote:
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I wonder if I use these arguments:
"Microsoft ended support for Windows XP because they lacked the financial resources... or maybe the staff to do so."
"Microsoft will end support for Windows 8.1 and other previous iterations for windows because they lack the staff and/or financial resources."
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Today, we can still download Win 10 Version 1803 32bit but we can no longer download Ubuntu 18.04 32bit. Similarly for the coming-soon LM 19.0 32bit.

One year from now, Linux may lose some users, who prefer to run 32bit OS, to Windows, eg if M$ starts offering Win 10 Home & Pro LTSB/LTSC 32bit to consumers.

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by Moem » Fri May 11, 2018 8:31 am

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by xenopeek » Fri May 11, 2018 9:14 am

michael louwe wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 7:21 am
@ xenopeek, .......
xenopeek wrote:Linux is for profit.
But not very good at it.
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https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/can ... -investors (Canonical to Cut Jobs, Axe Unprofitable Projects)
Canonical is currently a private company and, based on accounts filed at Companies House, has a staff of almost 500. It made an operating loss of £3.3million last year.
You were talking about Linux, not Canonical. Just because one company hasn't turned a profit yet from their GNU/Linux doesn't say whether other companies are turning a profit from their GNU/Linux distros or use of Linux. I mean, you don't really need to read Red Hat's 4th quarter report to know it has turned a profit and has increased its revenue double digit again.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by michael louwe » Fri May 11, 2018 10:16 am

@ xenopeek, .......
xenopeek wrote:.
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Yes, Red Hat Inc is quite profitable but the Red Hat Enterprise Linux OS is not available for ordinary consumers/users, unlike Canonical Inc's Ubuntu. Even though Red Hat Inc has the money, she did not support 32bit for her sponsored Fedora community Project, which is available for free use by consumers(or CentOS).

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by xenopeek » Fri May 11, 2018 11:26 am

We're mixing two discussions:
  • Do companies making Linux distros for profit have enough margin to provide a x86 ISO alongside their x86-64 ISO?
  • Does it make sense for them to do so?
The answer to the first would be "yes" for enterprise Linux distros but clearly "no" to the second. They're not making enterprise Linux to run on (at least) 15 year old computers.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by karlchen » Fri May 11, 2018 11:45 am

michael louwe wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 7:34 am
Today, we can still download Win 10 Version 1803 32bit but we can no longer download Ubuntu 18.04 32bit.
Hm, how the heck did the little biest below make its way onto my Acer Netbook?

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karl@paulchen:~$ inxi -Sxx
System:    Host: paulchen Kernel: 4.15.0-20-generic i686 bits: 32 gcc: 7.3.0
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.31) dm: lightdm Distro: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
karl@paulchen:~$
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by aes2011 » Fri May 11, 2018 12:22 pm

I think via upgrading it's possible to have a 32-bit Ubuntu 18.04.

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by michael louwe » Fri May 11, 2018 2:20 pm

@ karlchen, .......
karlchen wrote:.
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop.

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by DAMIEN1307 » Fri May 11, 2018 2:54 pm

Darn...i threw out my 32 bit systems 7 years ago...i should have kept them and gave it to my older brother, affectionately known as "the dinosaur", who still has his 8 track car and home modular stereo players and tapes as well as his old analog cell phones and bulky "install in the car" cell phones (he says that the greatest invention ever was the push button phone)...he claims they are all coming back again and wants everything back again like it was 50 yrs ago...lol...but then again, he has lewy/body dementia...DAMIEN
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by karlchen » Fri May 11, 2018 4:41 pm

Hello, aes2011. Hello, Michael Louwe.

My Xubuntu 18.04 32-bit is a fresh installation, not an upgraded 16.04. :wink:
The explanation is pretty simple:
Ubuntu 18.04 with the Ubuntu Desktop (read Gnome Desktop) is only available as a 64-bit edition.
Most of the other official Ubuntu flavours like Xubuntu (Ubuntu xfce desktop) and Ubuntu Mate are available as 64-bit editions and as 32-bit editions still.

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by michael louwe » Fri May 11, 2018 5:01 pm

@ karlchen, .......
karlchen wrote:.
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The 'main' archive of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS will be supported for 5 years until April 2023. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS will be supported for 5 years for Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, and Ubuntu Core. Ubuntu Studio 18.04 will be supported for 9 months. All other flavors will be supported for 3 years.

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by MintBean » Fri May 11, 2018 5:09 pm

Can't wait until 32 bit support is dumped. Massive waste of manpower.

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by Lucap » Fri May 11, 2018 6:53 pm

32 bit is a security risk.

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by catweazel » Fri May 11, 2018 9:46 pm

MintBean wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 5:09 pm
Can't wait until 32 bit support is dumped. Massive waste of manpower.
I feel that @louwe is missing the point. There are already distros dedicated to 32bit and, if the market supports it, other dedicated distros will arise to fill any gaps. So, any distribution dropping 32bit support does not, even in the remotest sense, necessarily equate to a lack of funding, but to market forces and the continual evolution of technology.

If it were up to some people, we'd all still be sitting on dirt floors in dung huts, scribbling squiggles in the muck, with our only entertainment being to watch uncle Fred pick his nose, scratch his butt and belch loudly.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by Fred Barclay » Fri May 11, 2018 11:28 pm

catweazel wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 9:46 pm
... with our only entertainment being to watch uncle Fred pick his nose, scratch his butt and belch loudly.
You've been talking to my nephews, haven't you now?!? :mrgreen:
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by catweazel » Fri May 11, 2018 11:33 pm

Fred Barclay wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 11:28 pm
catweazel wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 9:46 pm
... with our only entertainment being to watch uncle Fred pick his nose, scratch his butt and belch loudly.
You've been talking to my nephews, haven't you now?!? :mrgreen:
Actually, Fred is the name of my youth, and Frederick is the name on my birth certificate but I changed it by deed poll :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

To keep it on topic, 32bit OS/2 is still kicking.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by Pierre » Sat May 12, 2018 12:13 am

MintBean wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 5:09 pm
Can't wait until 32 bit support is dumped. Massive waste of manpower.
Lucap wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 6:53 pm
32 bit is a security risk.
Both of my Desktop Test PCs are still 32bit AKA Ex win-xp
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and they are still used, from time to time, each year.

it's seems that 32bit PCs will only disappear because there is no longer a valid Operating System, for them.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by Lucap » Sat May 12, 2018 2:40 am

Meltdown, Spectre bug patch slowdown gets real
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/0 ... _slowdown/
(If you have a 32-bit system, you're on your own.)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Kn ... ndMeltdown
No fix is currently available for Meltdown on 32-bit x86; moving to a 64-bit kernel is the currently recommended mitigation.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by xenopeek » Sat May 12, 2018 2:45 am

For the most part Lucap just finished this discussion :o
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

Post by DAMIEN1307 » Sat May 12, 2018 3:55 am

Catweazel!!!...WOW...you said
If it were up to some people, we'd all still be sitting on dirt floors in dung huts, scribbling squiggles in the muck, with our only entertainment being to watch uncle Fred pick his nose, scratch his butt and belch loudly.
You must know my brother...lol...that goes along with his 8 tracks and 20 and 30 year old cell phones...DAMIEN
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