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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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@ Lucap & xenopeek, .......
Lucap wrote:Ubuntu kernels... No fix is currently available for Meltdown on 32-bit x86; moving to a 64-bit kernel is the currently recommended mitigation. .
In comparison, ...
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Win10 Fall Creators Update version 1709 — Cumulative update KB 4073291 brings the Meltdown/Spectre patches to 32-bit machines.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3 ... tlook.html (19 Jan 2018)
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Provides cumulative Spectre and Meltdown protections for 32-Bit (x86) and 64-Bit (x64) versions of Windows
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... -kb4088875 (March 13, 2018—KB4088875 (Monthly Rollup)
Applies to: Windows 7 Service Pack 1Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1)
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Seems, Canonical Inc is intentionally omitting Meltdown patches for 32bit Ubuntu, in order to push the users onto 64bit Ubuntu because of lack of resources.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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michael louwe wrote: Sat May 12, 2018 4:14 am Seems, Canonical Inc is intentionally omitting Meltdown patches for 32bit Ubuntu, in order to push the users onto 64bit Ubuntu because of lack of resources.

It has nothing to do with with Ubuntu , the only linux distro that has tried to fix it is Suse/OpenSuse and that's still questionable due to the way 32 bit Linux accesses memory mapping that some consider it a pointless exercise and a complete waste of time trying as it will just end up like adobe flash that you'll keep having to patch it.

The only current solution is to use 64bit.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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@ DAMIEN1307, .......
DAMIEN1307 wrote: Sat May 12, 2018 3:55 am Catweazel!!!...WOW...you said
If it were up to some people, we'd all still be sitting on dirt floors in dung huts, scribbling squiggles in the muck, with our only entertainment being to watch uncle Fred pick his nose, scratch his butt and belch loudly.
You must know my brother...lol...that goes along with his 8 tracks and 20 and 30 year old cell phones...DAMIEN
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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I'm the oldest brother. I'm stress free, eat healthy and do not have any heart problems. That has nothing to do with clinging to '80s or '90s nostalgia :wink:
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xenopeek wrote: Sat May 12, 2018 5:08 am I'm the oldest brother. I'm stress free, eat healthy and do not have any heart problems. That has nothing to do with clinging to '80s or '90s nostalgia :wink:
I tend to cling to 40's nostalgia :arrow: exit stage right...
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Heres to the 40s catweazel...enjoy...DAMIEN

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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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As a humble user of a 32-bit in-order CPU, I'm just saying:
It works; the screen is stone-age, but - in terms of security - I'm avant-garde, so to speak :mrgreen:
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Came out in '38. Close enough?
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So people get upset when Canonical adds a request for some basic non-identifiable computer info during install ( that people can freely opt-out of ) yet people want to keep a broken 32bit architecture where websites can access users personal information such as passwords and banking details?

There are no words. :roll:
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michael louwe wrote: Sat May 12, 2018 4:14 am Seems, Canonical Inc is intentionally omitting Meltdown patches for 32bit Ubuntu, in order to push the users onto 64bit Ubuntu because of lack of resources.
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michael louwe wrote: Sat May 12, 2018 4:14 am Seems, Canonical Inc is intentionally omitting Meltdown patches for 32bit Ubuntu, in order to push the users onto 64bit Ubuntu because of lack of resources.
It's ok. I have my tinfoil hat on.
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catweazel wrote: Sun May 13, 2018 6:21 am I have my tinfoil hat on.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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Moem wrote: Sun May 13, 2018 6:39 am
catweazel wrote: Sun May 13, 2018 6:21 am I have my tinfoil hat on.
You can't go wrong with a stylish tinfoil hat. I bet you look dashing. Does it look like this one?
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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@ Lucap, .......
Lucap wrote: Sun May 13, 2018 4:32 am So people get upset when Canonical adds a request for some basic non-identifiable computer info during install ( that people can freely opt-out of ) yet people want to keep a broken 32bit architecture where websites can access users personal information such as passwords and banking details?

There are no words. :roll:
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michael louwe wrote:M$ has issued Meltdown patches for 32bit Win 7/8.1/10.

Seems, Canonical Inc is intentionally omitting Meltdown patches for 32bit Ubuntu, in order to push the users onto 64bit Ubuntu because of lack of resources.
Looking at this from a different angle, it is Canonical Inc who may be intentionally exposing the personal information of 32bit Ubuntu 14.04/16.04(and 32bit LM 17.x/18.x) users.
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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Lucap wrote: Sat May 12, 2018 4:31 am
michael louwe wrote: Sat May 12, 2018 4:14 am Seems, Canonical Inc is intentionally omitting Meltdown patches for 32bit Ubuntu, in order to push the users onto 64bit Ubuntu because of lack of resources.

It has nothing to do with with Ubuntu , the only linux distro that has tried to fix it is Suse/OpenSuse and that's still questionable due to the way 32 bit Linux accesses memory mapping that some consider it a pointless exercise and a complete waste of time trying as it will just end up like adobe flash that you'll keep having to patch it.

The only current solution is to use 64bit.

/me points -------------^

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You seem to be skim reading. :)
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Re: Ubuntu flavors to drop 32-bit (i386) support

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People are saying that ARM 32 bit might be dropped next for the exact same reason that it can't currently be fixed without constantly playing whack-a-mole.
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