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TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by c++ » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:36 pm

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New password:
Password must be between 10 characters and 32 characters long, must contain letters in mixed case, must contain numbers and must contain symbols.
that it is INSANE !

WHY ? ? ?

why no simplificate ? ? ? ? ? ?

someone hacked me ? well ... that's MY problem !

:x :evil: :roll:

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by JerryF » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:45 pm

Ok, take a deep breath. :wink:

From where are you trying to change your password? Terminal?
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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by Moem » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:47 pm

Sounds like the password for this forum... if that's the case, it's posted in the wrong place.
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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by c++ » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:47 pm

no man , i'm talkin of the forum password ( change ) . . .

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by JerryF » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:49 pm

Oh, didn't know. My mind reading skills are a little rusty.

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by Moem » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:10 pm

Mod note:
Topic moved because it's not about Linux Mint.
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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by MintBean » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:10 pm

Since the browser can remember that password, what's the big deal? WHY SO DRAMATIC??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by rene » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:14 pm

... but other than dramaturgy, yes, the Mint forum password requirements are a pain in the behind, even if possibly no worse than having no requirements. I'd anyway recommend a specialized password manager if you don't like Firefox's built-in one, combined with truly secure passwords. LastPass is the by far most popular one, and I've recently been playing around with Bitwarden which is turning out quite nice: https://bitwarden.com/. For a fully local setup, KeePassXC is good, although you can also run the Bitwarden server locally...

Note, though, that if you do like access to your password online you can also just create a Mozilla account and sync passwords to and fro with Firefox. Probably not with other browsers.

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by Seffis » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:47 pm

Thanks... that's all I need... another account with another password.

Just tried to copy my ridiculously long and complicated forum password from Firefox in Linux and paste it to Firefox in Windows. It was rejected. Then tried to manually copy it, but blindly as there is no display options to 'show password. Rejected again. Two more times. Same result. Now, wanting a capcha which most normal humans can't decipher. ]

What's next after insane? Asinine?

The password for my bank account isn't this complicated.
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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by Moem » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:49 pm

Seffis wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:47 pm
Thanks... that's all I need... another account with another password.
You've been here for four years... why are you whining now?
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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by c++ » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:12 pm

JerryF wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:49 pm
Oh, didn't know. My mind reading skills are a little rusty
anyway thx pal !

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by c++ » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:13 pm

Seffis wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:47 pm
Thanks... that's all I need... another account with another password.

Just tried to copy my ridiculously long and complicated forum password from Firefox in Linux and paste it to Firefox in Windows. It was rejected. Then tried to manually copy it, but blindly as there is no display options to 'show password. Rejected again. Two more times. Same result. Now, wanting a capcha which most normal humans can't decipher. ]

What's next after insane? Asinine?

The password for my bank account isn't this complicated.
Thx pal !

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by c++ » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:14 pm

rene wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:14 pm
... but other than dramaturgy, yes, the Mint forum password requirements are a pain in the behind, even if possibly no worse than having no requirements. I'd anyway recommend a specialized password manager if you don't like Firefox's built-in one, combined with truly secure passwords. LastPass is the by far most popular one, and I've recently been playing around with Bitwarden which is turning out quite nice: https://bitwarden.com/. For a fully local setup, KeePassXC is good, although you can also run the Bitwarden server locally...

Note, though, that if you do like access to your password online you can also just create a Mozilla account and sync passwords to and fro with Firefox. Probably not with other browsers.
Thx pal !

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by c++ » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:17 pm

Do a survey : you will see 95 % of the forum complaining !

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by jimallyn » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:17 pm

c++ wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:17 pm
Do a survey : you will see 95 % of the forum complaining !
OK, poll here:

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=276816
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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by Schultz » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:50 pm

2*Big*dogs

Password must:

be between 10 characters and 32 characters long; check.
must contain letters in mixed case; check.
must contain numbers; check.
must contain symbols; check.

What's so complicated about that? You can probably come up with dozens of passwords like this that would be easy.

P.S. That's not my password. :wink:

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by jimallyn » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:22 am

c++ wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:17 pm
Do a survey : you will see 95 % of the forum complaining !
Well, not quite 95%:
PollOnForumsPasswordRequirements.png
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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by Faust » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:04 am

This " issue " never even crossed my mind until I read this topic .
I'm a member on many tech forums , and from memory , most of them require a PW with at least " the basic mix "
ie. Upper and lower case characters and some digits and special characters thrown in .

There's something to be said for using phrases rather than words as the "core" of the password .

eg. - " O say can you see, by the dawn's early light" , then take the initial letters ..... "Oscysbtdel "
It's much more resistant to " dictionary attacks " , but still easy to remember .

rene wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:14 pm
... I've recently been playing around with Bitwarden which is turning out quite nice: https://bitwarden.com/. .....

Yeah , me too .
I've never had much interest in password managers , but that one looks promising .
And being able to run it locally is a bonus .
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The modern reality and the satirical parody are rapidly converging .

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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by Captain Brillo » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:03 pm

Enpass works pretty well. For everything, not just web logins
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Re: TOO much complicated (passwd )...

Post by ud6 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:08 pm

c++ wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:36 pm
someone hacked me ? well ... that's MY problem !
I feel a bit the same. Problem is, we are generally told:
1. Use long password not based on words, with mixed upper lower case, numbers and symbols
2. Use different passwords
3. Change passwords regularly
4. Don't write passwords down

If we were to follow these guidelines we'd need impressive photographic memories. I have about 30 different logins. If I change every month, that's memorising 360 non sensical (ie not words) passwords a year, flawlessly. Ridiculous.

And password managers are great, but they have two major problems (i) you forget your password more easily, esp over long period (ii) you have to be working on same computer.. I reinstall when new version available, which means I need to know my passwords!

Practically, the advice of having 3 passwords of different levels can make things easier:
1. Very secure passwords eg for banking. These should be complex and ideally not repeated.
2. Moderately secure: emails, login.
3. Websites etc that you don't care if you're hacked (same rubbish password)

I guess for the forum, it's more hassle for the forum than for you if you are hacked. You shouldn't have anything personal, but they could post obscene stuff under your name.

Anecdotally.. I had an Instagram account which I never used.. until my friends started liking my photos (I had no fotos).. turns out I had been hacked and the photos my friends were liking were of women in lingerie. I was like.. surely my friends know I'm a guy and not a woman??! :lol:

Anyway, in my view, we really must hurry up incorporating finger print or retina recognition into systems instead of these millions of stupid, slow, forgettable and unsafe passwords. We have the technology.

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