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The May 2019 Windows update is ridiculous:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevang ... 12262f5fe7

Hope you have lots of room for this update:
https://www.windowscentral.com/windows- ... equirement
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MS has always been notorious for pushing out updates before they were ready. But with Windows 10, it just seems to get worse and worse. For some reason, they keep setting update dates and refusing to budge, even when issues like the ones described in the links are prevalent. This is one of my major reasons for using Mint: updates are nice and slow, thoroughly bug-tested - not perfect, but nothing with software ever is.
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ajgringo619 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:25 pm
MS has always been notorious for pushing out updates before they were ready. But with Windows 10, it just seems to get worse and worse. For some reason, they keep setting update dates and refusing to budge, even when issues like the ones described in the links are prevalent. This is one of my major reasons for using Mint: updates are nice and slow, thoroughly bug-tested - not perfect, but nothing with software ever is.
The 32 gb minimum for the May update was shocking to me. I remember some Win10 devices only came with 32-64 gb storage. With 32 gb I can install Linux Mint and have plenty of room left over.
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That could be the installed space requirement, not just the download. I'll have to test my VM later and see what happens.
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YUP - there is Three Major issues - this release:
- an 7Gb reserved space for system files - part of the 32Gb storage limit
- Do you have an external USB drive or SD card plugged into your PC?
- the loss of another set of CPUs that will no longer be supported.

if you were an cynic, like myself, then you would assume the usual push towards New Hardware - again.
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It already did it. Five years ago when it discontinued support for XP.
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KBD47 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:41 pm
The May 2019 Windows update is ridiculous:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevang ... 12262f5fe7

Hope you have lots of room for this update:
https://www.windowscentral.com/windows- ... equirement
Indeed they are pushing users to linux, by the millions...

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-1 ... t-version/

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Microsoft had nothing to do with it for me. We're all different on this issue, and doubtless there's many factors in play.

That said, I disliked Microsoft before it was cool to even like them — much less dislike them — and I will, in fact, dance a happy dance the day Microsoft is razed to the ground.

Windows 10, much like Windows 8.x before it, demonstrates Microsoft does not give a s*** about their users and feels they can do d*** near anything they feel like with total impunity.
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Portreve wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:34 am
...Microsoft does not give a s*** about their users and feels they can do d*** near anything they feel like with total impunity.
Is simply the consistent implementation of freedom:
They can - so they do.

I know of a larger state doing the same thing...
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absque fenestris wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:57 am
Portreve wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:34 am
...Microsoft does not give a s*** about their users and feels they can do d*** near anything they feel like with total impunity.
Is simply the consistent implementation of freedom:
They can - so they do.

I know of a larger state doing the same thing...
Not so in the land of the proud Swiss... God, how I envy your marvellous referendum system. If only we could have that in The Netherlands. Power to the people!
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Pjotr wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:31 am
Not so in the land of the proud Swiss... God, how I envy your marvellous referendum system. If only we could have that in The Netherlands. Power to the people!
In 1848 they didn't do everything wrong with the Federal Constitution: the non-installation of a president was one of the better ideas - the relative small size, the absolutely high number of cantons and the moving beauty of the Alps were dictated by higher powers... :mrgreen:
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Money talks wonder if MS could buy out LINUX and ruin it for all of us :?:
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Pepi wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:53 am
Money talks ... wonder if MS could buy out LINUX and ruin it for all of us :?:
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I don't use Windows on any of my computers, but my wife's real estate business requires it for various reasons. I found this little gem, which lets you have more control over your operating system you paid for:

Blackbird

I've used it now for about a year on her home office desktop and her laptop that she takes to her office. It's not perfect, but it allows you to deactivate the updates and seems to disable most of the telemetry and other malware installed by default in Windows 10. YMMV but might be worth a try if stuck on Windows. There are other similar scripts and programs out there that do the same thing but this one was one of the most comprehensive and easiest to use.
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how did Blackbird compare to shutup10 ?.
they both seem to promote the disabling of various windows services .. ..
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Pepi wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:53 am
Money talks wonder if MS could buy out LINUX and ruin it for all of us :?:
Please Don't Give Microsoft Any Ideas.
I've had in the back of my mind for awhile now that MS could buy Ubuntu, but I hope not.
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Pierre wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:10 pm
YUP - there is Three Major issues - this release:
- an 7Gb reserved space for system files - part of the 32Gb storage limit
- Do you have an external USB drive or SD card plugged into your PC?
- the loss of another set of CPUs that will no longer be supported.

if you were an cynic, like myself, then you would assume the usual push towards New Hardware - again.
:roll:
Clover Trail is out of luck. MS promised 5 years of updates/support in 2017 and already reneged on that promise.
It astounds me that MS just doesn't allow for a 'security patches' only update path for older hardware. Much old hardware will run Linux like a champ. MS just keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
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But are they shooting themselves in the foot when private individuals, businesses, and governments alike all go along with it?

rms, the FSF and free software advocates the world around do not constitute a significant percentage of computer owners. If they did, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Portreve wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:32 pm
But are they shooting themselves in the foot when private individuals, businesses, and governments alike all go along with it?

rms, the FSF and free software advocates the world around do not constitute a significant percentage of computer owners. If they did, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Well, some of it is intel and OEM's who refuse to provide firmware updates. Of course they have absolutely no incentive to update anything as it will just cause more obsolete hardware and more computer purchases.
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well - I've just scored, yet another pair of Laptops, from my kids,,
& who have just bought an Microsoft Surface Pro, as the replacement.

yet I've also seen an small business buy an high end system for their requirements, as well.
- so there is still no real shortage of folks, that are still prepared to buy those Microsoft products.

the interesting issue - - is their relunctance to buy another copy of Microsoft Office,,
& thus are using Libre Office as the substitute.
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