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These are some comments or thoughts about the book "The Thoughts of Blaise Pascal by Blaise Pascal" "Pensées", I'm reading Arabic translation but I think I found Pascal's thoughts are interesting, for my bad luck I can't read it in French to be so close to the meanings he intends to.

#1: Pascal said that human consists of two conflicted nature to each other, the body (matter) and spirit, and with this manner the person can realise the matter and study it, I think he's logical in this point and it's sense, maybe matter need something beyond it to be realised, the spirit is beyond or over the matter nature, but he said too because they're (the body and spirit) in conflict, we can't realise the facts of the matters of things perfectly and I'm studying this point to figure out what does he mean.

But really it's interesting book.
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pascal111 wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:15 pm
These are some comments or thoughts about the book "The Thoughts of Blaise Pascal by Blaise Pascal" "Pensées", I'm reading Arabic translation but I think I found Pascal's thoughts are interesting, for my bad luck I can't read it in French to be so close to the meanings he intends to.
I don't know French, but it would be interesting to get the original (i.e. French) version and take it carefully and slowly through Google Translate. From there other research can be done to tighten up the translation and then, as a native speaker of English (and an English major) I could take a crack at it.

Never mind: there already exists an excellent translation here.

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Thanks for the link. I think Pascal has deep thinking and he didn't tell everything he knows, and one of things I liked in Pascal writings is that I can take some parts of his thinking to be mine as if we're the same person and I lost my memory and I'm trying to return it again, he discussed things so good but the perfect meaning of that parts isn't so clear to me so I couldn't gain 'em, but some short parts through reading I can collect. It's clear from Pascal writings according to the parts I read that he knows exactly what he's talking about, it seems that he understands what's the science, philosophy, literature and many things, one of funny things I saw in my visions is that the Turbo Pascal programming language under DOS has the logic similar to Pascal's logic or way of thinking, I didn't give this man or person his right, I've to read more and gain more to my mind, I think his ideas can make changes in thinking ways.
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#2: The little and much of wine: If you gave a man little of wine, who won't know the truth, and if you gave him much, he also won't know the truth because he'll be drunk, the same result. I think this is a good logic an it has a sense but what he means with wine here? did he mean the complete knowledge or truth?!

#3: If you read hurry, you won't understand, and if you read so slow, you also won't understand, the same result. It's another beautiful logic, it's like if you heard a song so fast or so slow, you won't understand anything of it.
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I think I understood an example why in #1 man can't reach or understand the fact of things perfectly because his two conflicted parts the spirit and the body, it's because he's sometimes describe the matter with the spiritual attributes and the spiritual meanings with the matter attributes.

#4: The repetitive word, if you can't fix it in your writing or your writing's meaning will be damaged, is a correct word, and it's a correct order regardless the repetitive word in a writing in general is a weakness sign but there are exceptions.
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#5: thought #126: "Description of man: dependency, desire of independence, need.", I think it's useful to understand from a point of view some of physiology of man, why man want to be rich? he wants to be independent in his needs, he doesn't want to be dependent to others because of his needs, it means also that man under dependency works for hope of independency and also if he has no hope, he wishes, (wish/hope).
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#6: thought #139 (long one) man can't stay without aim or desire, without activity, he will think in his miserable destination and will be in black sadness, man always need something to do, it's not necessary it be valuable things but to have an aim and purpose. The king can live so miserable life if he stopped and start to think about himself and destination, all things king has are to amuse him or not to make him think in himself but to be busy with something other than himself.

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#7: (I think it from #6 and another thoughts) man can't stay in room, things aren't shown to man without attributes and spirit can't stay without desires, in the case that man self has no desire he will feel in dependency and like a slave and sadness and black feelings will come to his heart. Imagine this case when we give someone a medicine to empty his desires, so he has no aims or purposes in life and we can control him with our thoughts.
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#8: (of thought #144) Studying nature sciences make the man away than understanding himself, but studying sciences related to man don't make him happy more than the case that he doesn't know his real facts, ignorance is bless.

#9: (of thought #172) We don't live our real present time, we don't like it, so, we spend the present time in thinking in past or future.
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#10: (of thought 222) this is a very nice one, our aim isn't a religious meaning, it's the logic of comparing, what's the most difficult, the born of new man from the non existence or continuing an exist creature in life?! people will think the continuing is the most difficult because it doesn't happen before and they believe the coming from the non existence because it happens everyday by birth, people believe in custom not the real mental comparison.

#11: You like to call the king a prince because you like to decrease his degree, man who doesn't know or notice his real position will like the good description someone describe him with, but in fact, he decreases his real degree. For example, it's shameful to call king of Romans as a prince!!
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#12: (of thought #175) We know little about ourselves, man may think he's so close to death (I'm feeling that :)) although in fact, he's in good health, and he may feel that he's well although he's so close to die.
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#13: (of thought #185) The doctrine can be put in mind by reasoning and in heart by its beauty and benefits but it'll be a terror if the force used instead of 'em. It's like to believe that desires of man are the reason behind evil in world and with medicines and some techniques you kill that desires to make the person can't make any resistance to accept your thoughts.
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I read quick reading so I don't remarked the numbers of Pascal's thoughts:

#14: They failed to make the justice to be strong, so they justified the strength, the justice without strength is useless and can be discussed but they don't discuss the strength but accuse it.

#15: The mind wants to judge everything but not all things can be realised by mind nor limited.
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#16: There's no sense if the heart said to the mind make me feel in your proofs to believe nor the mind if said to the heart give me proofs of what you believe, the mind has its system and the heart has its own also. Why he said that, is there someone trying to understand the heart-like affairs?! mind seeks to rule everything with so perfect accuracy.

#17: Don't look for making a friend among 'em, they have no heart. About whom Pascal was talking?!
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#18: Saying that the moon is the reason behind some diseases is better than the staying without an answer and continuing the searching behind the real answer and there's no hope. Even the natural ignorance of people has a logic behind it and a benefit.
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#19: The spirit can realize the matter because it's over it and it's difficult to say that the matter realizes itself. You can't know things so well because you'll give spiritual attributes for matter-like things and matter-like attributes for the spirit or spiritual concepts. Spirit in the body took the matter considerations in its realizing like number, time and measurements. The mind has its system and the heart has it own too, so the mind can't say to the heart give me proofs nor the heart to the mind let me feel. Not all knowledge of nature can be realized or proved by the mind calculations but part of it. Mind and senses, the senses realizing isn't necessary to be a mental one and as we've matter-like senses, we've also another senses for matter over or mind over concepts. We can realize the existence and the what of finite because it's extension and limit like us, we can realize only the existence of the infinite because its extension but we can't realize its what because it's no limit. We can't realize the existence or the what of God because he's no extension or limit.
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pascal111 wrote:
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We can't realize the existence or the what of God because he's no extension or limit.
You, pascal111, said, "Religious posts aren't allowed." on the "Is the Tenth Planet Really a Bowling Ball-sized PBH?"

You appear to be contradicting yourself.

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RollyShed wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:43 pm
pascal111 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:30 am
We can't realize the existence or the what of God because he's no extension or limit.
You, pascal111, said, "Religious posts aren't allowed." on the "Is the Tenth Planet Really a Bowling Ball-sized PBH?"

You appear to be contradicting yourself.
But this is philosophical more than religious, I think you don't know difference between religion and philosophy of religion.
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RollyShed wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:43 pm
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:30 am
We can't realize the existence or the what of God because he's no extension or limit.
You, pascal111, said, "Religious posts aren't allowed." on the "Is the Tenth Planet Really a Bowling Ball-sized PBH?"
In fact, the forum rules say that. RollyShed, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've read them and that it slipped your mind for a moment. :wink:

This would fall under that rule, so please quit talking about any and all deities. Philosophy of religion is not a good subject here because it's still a way to talk about religion. Thank you.

On a different note, I believe the contents of this thread is better suited for a different audience, and I repeat my suggestion that you get a blog somewhere on the web. You seem to be the only one here who is interested in the subject. Having a thread that is just by and for one member isn't very useful on a forum.
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pascal111 wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:27 am
"We can't realize the existence or the what of God because he's no extension or limit."
But this is philosophical more than religious, I think you don't know difference between religion and philosophy of religion.
That is religious (first sentence), not philosophy.

Philosophy means the study of wisdom.

The mention of god is religious.

The mention of computers is technical.

The mention of rain is weather.

Moem posted at the same time as I did and basically is saying the same as I am, your posts are about religion.

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