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750 MB. WOW! "What would you do with SO MUCH hard disc space ?"

Post by carum carvi » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:10 pm

We are talking nineties here. Anyone with a beating heart from the nineties, eighties? My title has the question mark, because my brother was HONESTLY REALLY IMPRESSED that my newly bought computer (1994) had a hard drive with a whopping 750 MB, while his NEW Apple computer had (merely) 350 MB. "What would you do with SO MUCH hard disc space", was my brother's question?. I NEVER ever ran out of harddisc space with that Pentium 4 computer, which might sound laughable by today's standards.

In arts there is an often mentioned quote: LESS IS MORE.

You dont need to have MORE in order to be happy or brilliant or inspiring. But commercialism, in it's core, HAS TO sell something NEW. And MORE seems to be a very efficient selling point in selling computers.

One of the things that I truly love about Linux in genera is the fact that it revives older computers, to some extent at least. Windows / Apple computers which have been abandoned / forgotten in the attic have gotten a new life / purpose with Linux. Fabricating computers is INCREDIBLY RESOURCE consuming. Linux is a positive alternative for second hand computers to regain a new life.

I want to applaud all the Linux users in general, and all the LinuxMint forummembers on this forum in particular for their helpful contributions in making Linux a terrific, user friendly alternative in the resource consuming current society of today. Intentionally or not, I dont care, Linux software does care for resources that have to be dug up from the very earth we are living on. Re using computers is one of the best ways to be appreciative of what we already have...

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Post by lamar » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:44 pm

I'll beat that. My first 'puter was a genuine IBM XT , 8088 processor, with a 10 meg hard drive. The shop told me "you will never fill that hard drive." He was right!

Good ole DOS days!!!
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Post by Pierre » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:50 pm

Yikes - - that's an Huge Drive
:shock:
my PC-XT had an whopping 200Mb of size & it did have win-3x installed onto it.
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that was my 2nd computer:
- - my 1st computer was an Microbee that ran twin 360k floppies, with an massive 128k of ram
so, I'd paid extra, for some 'upgrades' one was the Double Amount of RAM,
and an Orange Coloured Screen, rather than the standard Green Coloured Screen.
- - that's the Colour of the Text - - not the Colour of the actual Monitor. ..
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Post by murray » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:15 pm

lamar wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:44 pm
I'll beat that. My first 'puter was a genuine IBM XT , 8088 processor, with a 10 meg hard drive. The shop told me "you will never fill that hard drive." He was right!

Good ole DOS days!!!
You had a hard drive? :shock: Back when I started we only had 360K floppies, I would have killed for a hard disk!
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Post by Spearmint2 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:39 pm

lamar wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:44 pm
I'll beat that. My first 'puter was a genuine IBM XT , 8088 processor, with a 10 meg hard drive. The shop told me "you will never fill that hard drive." He was right!

Good ole DOS days!!!
You beat me to it. AT computers won out. Remember how that drive connected? No IDE ports then, but a slide on connector on the edge of the motherboard, mine had an AMI, before they quit motherboads and just did BIOS. ISA slots, 8 bit, I still have an old piece of hardware from it, a large 1.2 MB floppy drive,...or was that on my 286??? The first I built myself was with Hot-569 Shuttle mobo, a 586 CPU.
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Post by all41 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:45 pm

Fact is: MUCH computing still happened in those days. Yes, even businesses--mostly database or word processing.
I think devs had to be smarter to work with what they had.

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Post by Beerislife » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:56 pm

My first PC, an NEC PC-9801RX only had twin 5" floppy drives :shock: I believe the CPU was NEC's in-house V30 CPU, based on Intel's 8086. I paid an arm and a leg for a 100Mb SCSI external drive. There was no sound card either, that was also a separate purchase, as was a copy of MS-DOS (Not IBM PC compatible!) My next computer, a Toshiba Dynabook (Intel 286 CPU) had a 20Mb hard drive and a 3.5" floppy!

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Post by Spearmint2 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:56 pm

And COBOL was still being used by banks!
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Post by murray » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:20 pm

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And COBOL was still being used by banks!
I'm sure COBOL is still being used by many banks...
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Post by Spearmint2 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:36 pm

murray wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:20 pm
Spearmint2 wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:56 pm
And COBOL was still being used by banks!
I'm sure COBOL is still being used by many banks...
Seems you are correct. I knew someone who was still doing COBOL for banking in the late 90's. I thought it would have died out long ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#Iso ... _community
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Post by murray » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:09 pm

Spearmint2 wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:36 pm
Seems you are correct. I knew someone who was still doing COBOL for banking in the late 90's. I thought it would have died out long ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#Iso ... _community
I learnt COBOl back in the 80's when I was attending a technical college. Before I attended the college my father asked the Data Processing manager of the company where he worked if I should attend a university or a tech college. The DP manager said that he himself had gone to university but that he would never hire anyone that was university educated for a commercial programming job. He suggested that I go to the tech college because I'd get a better grounding in the sort of things that a commercial programmer needed. So while I was learning COBOL, PL/1, BASIC and assembler, and doing projects such as building stock control systems, etc, my cousin who went to university was being taught Pascal and was using it to build an othello game (he did other projects but I can't remember what they were).

I went on to get a job as a programmer, working on systems such as payroll, accounts, stock control, parts management, etc. My cousin did nothing with his university education.

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Post by Spearmint2 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:17 pm

I did the same in the 70's at USF in a computer course. Then it was cards, I believe about 75 characters each. COBOL and Fortran flow charts. To pass the course you had to program a billing system. What a pain! The university computer was in some other building, quite secure, never saw it actually. We had a reader, a card punch, and some wide format dot matrix printers to send our results back. Had to go through all the "line errors" kicked back on the green and white printouts. Back to changing the programming, run again, working from first line errors downward as progress was made. Program cards had to be in order, then a *DATA card, then the "customers" could be in any order. I passed, but told myself, "this is boring, frustrating, wait times too long, and last thing I want to do is get stuck in some bank backroom" and went into Air Force instead, LOL.

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Post by smurphos » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:22 pm

My first computer - this snazzy little number had onboard RAM of ...1KB... No storage.....

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Post by murray » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:37 pm

Spearmint2 wrote:
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I did the same in the 70's at USF in a computer course. Then it was cards, I believe about 75 characters each... Program cards had to be in order, then a *DATA card, then the "customers" could be in any order.
Ah the days of punched cards! A little before my time (although I remember seeing punch card readers that had been actively used just a few years before I started). Heaven help you if you tripped while carring a stack of cards!
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Post by murray » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:43 pm

smurphos wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:22 pm
My first computer - this snazzy little number had onboard RAM of ...1KB... No storage.....
And yet it was amazing what could be done with 1KB of RAM. Youngsters these days don't know how lucky they are! :D

My first computer had 16KB of RAM and used a tape recorder for storage:
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Post by Spearmint2 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:45 pm

LOL, true. I was so proud of making past that course, I had my printouts and rubber banded cards for about 10 years till one day I tossed them out, wondering why I'd kept them so long, being of no more use.
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Post by Portreve » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:38 am

I got my first computer, a Macintosh Plus, as a birthday present in 1986.

For the next roughly two years, I operated strictly from floppy disks which (at the time) formatted to a usable capacity of 779 kb.

Circa 1989, I was able to buy a Seagate 5.25" 80MB SCSI-interfaced hard drive for it which came in an external enclosure designed, as many were at the time, to fit exactly under a classic-case style Macintosh. One of my friends, who had a 40MB hard drive, criticized me for, exactly has been oft repeated in this thread, never needing that much space.

It's not marketing nor is it any other kind of Corporate America b.s. that "bigger is better" when it comes to certain things, like RAM or storage space.

Over the years I've owned, whether they shipped with the computer or were bought separately, something like 20-odd hard drives. I've also owned a SyQuest EZ-135 drive, an Iomega ZIP drive, several CD and then CD-ROM drives, and countless floppies and data CDs, and then later several DVD-RW drives and DVD data discs.

The fact that we've been able to continually increase capacity while radically decreasing physical displacement is a very good thing indeed. Presently I have a 4TB hard drive that's about 50% full, primarily with media content.
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Post by RollyShed » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:43 am

The first computer I worked with was a PDP-8, enter a series of instructions in binary via the front panel switches so it could read a paper tape. Then put the programme in also via paper tape. Output on to paper tape. Personally I had an Apple IIe (clone) with floppies, did a lot of work writing club newsletters and a guide book. The ZX81 didn't really get any use.
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I had my printouts and rubber banded cards for about 10 years till one day I tossed them out, wondering why I'd kept them so long, being of no more use.
What? WHAT !!! Perfect media for writing shopping lists on. I now have to use the back of envelopes. And if they stop sending mail, then what?

One other thing, as we are talking computing in general, the Paperless Office - Oh really? There must be more paper used/printed on today than ever before.

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Post by catweazel » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:58 am

carum carvi wrote:
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... my brother was HONESTLY REALLY IMPRESSED that my newly bought computer (1994) had a hard drive with a whopping 750 MB, while his NEW Apple computer had (merely) 350 MB.
That was huge back then. Before that hard disks were the size of 4 house bricks and had a capacity of 5MB.
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Post by sphyrth » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:17 am

My timeline was that you were the "cool nerd" if you had a 500MB flash drive.

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