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Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop [ Gave it up, not happening ]

Post by AZgl1500 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:55 am

we have 3 of these damn things still running in our home...
yeah, I know, get rid of the Win10 install and go full Linux....
loverly, but my daughter uses ACCESS in her business, and try as I might, I have NOT been able to find a viable Linux alternative.

We use our Android smartphones to take pictures, like a lot of folks do now.
The App that we use, and works perfectly with Linux Mint, is ASUS File Manager.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... ager&hl=en

it works a treat usually for accessing another Linux Mint PC via our WiFi network, we just click on "Copy to: Network" and then open the PC/laptop that we want to drop a file onto, then select the Shared Folder and then OK.

Except, when we try to access Win10, we get a PopUp that asks for:
  • Server Name
    Password:
and nothing that I have done, has enabled me to login into any of our Win10 PCs.

The Win10 PC has a shared folder, it provided us with the link to email to any user that wants to drop a file into that folder. I have tried to use that link as the "server name", and I have tried to use my personal Win10 Account as the server name added as a suffix to that link.
In each case, I used my personal Account password.

Nothing works.

I have Googled this problem to no end.. none of the "help suggestions" will resolve the problem.

No where, do they indicate that a "server name" should show up when trying to access this Shared Folder.

I am nearly bald already, but this is causing me to pull out what few hairs I have left.
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by gm10 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:21 am

While I don't know that app, what is generally meant by server name is your host name. On Win10, just search their excellent menu for "name" and you'll get options to see or change your device's name. Alternatively you can likely also enter the server's IP address instead, if you prefer and it's a fixed one.
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by AZgl1500 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:58 am

gm10 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:21 am
While I don't know that app, what is generally meant by server name is your host name. On Win10, just search their excellent menu for "name" and you'll get options to see or change your device's name. Alternatively you can likely also enter the server's IP address instead, if you prefer and it's a fixed one.
Okay, I changed the brutally long weird name to 'John10', so far so good, as the Win10 laptop now shows up with an easy to type name. On this image, you just Press the name of the device you wish to log into, in this case it is 'John10'. As you can see, it is already showing the IP address ( I called this base IP )

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The next thing I see is this Server request popup

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I have tried the name 'John10' & 'John' which is my Acct Name, also the base IP address on the WiFi network.

Each time, using my account password that let's me log into 'John' at the Win10's laptop boot up.
Every effort has been rejected, and the same popup returns.

I would love to fix this demon, as my daughter also needs to use the same phone App to upload images to her Win10 laptop.... the same exact scenario presents itself on her laptop, as does mine.

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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by gm10 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:31 am

Make sure you capitalized the user name correctly. Try to log in to that machine from another Win10 machine on the network to see if it's an issue with the app or with your settings, maybe firewall.
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by karlchen » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:39 am

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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by Spearmint2 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:27 am

Windows always used workgroup in past for network shares.
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by athi » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:51 am

I also use Asus file manager on my Nexus 6P and just setup sharing in Win10 Pro on my dual boot Elitebook 840G1. After setting up sharing on the Win10 Downloads folder and reboot, I was able to see and access folder after entering credentials and was able to delete a file in the Downloads folder without issue.

From what I remembered, there were networking issues with earlier versions of Win10 Home which default to using Homegroup for networking. Homegroup is a strange MS protocol which simplify sharing for MS O/S but does not really work nicely with non-MS O/S. Link to article on changing from Homegroup to Workgroup
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by altair4 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:51 pm

Just a guess since I don't use your app but I betcha it's because Win10 disabled smb1 and that is the only way the asus fm can access it.
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by AZgl1500 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:33 pm

gm10 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:31 am
Make sure you capitalized the user name correctly. Try to log in to that machine from another Win10 machine on the network to see if it's an issue with the app or with your settings, maybe firewall.
I checked to see what 'group' the Win10 laptop is, and it is Workgroup

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so that is not the issue:
Using the Android ASUS File Manager, I just now logged into John-PC which is a Win7 PC with my Username/Password successfully.

I checked System Profiles, they are as shown:

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I made a point of using the proper username of 'John'.
I had the Firewall 'OFF' at one time, just checked and it was 'ON' again, so turned it 'OFF', to no avail.
Still can't login into the Win10 laptop.

Neither Win10 laptop can see the other laptop on the Network.
Both have Network Discovery turn 'ON'

both laptops can log into the Win7 PC w/o any problems at all.

I am at a loss....

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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by gm10 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:40 pm

AZgl1500 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:33 pm
Both have Network Discovery turn 'ON'
Good, but more importantly, do they have file and printer sharing turn on?
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by Spearmint2 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:50 pm

Are the w10 set up with passwords?
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by athi » Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:06 pm

Found this in my Win10 setup cheat sheets. To enable smb/cifs file sharing (to share with non-windows10 network):
Click Programs and select Program and Features/Turn Windows features on or off
Check SMB 1.0/CIFS services, click OK and reboot
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by altair4 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:29 pm

But do the above only if you are feeling lucky. We're talking about laptops here right. The darn things may end up anywhere unless you keep a close eye on 'em.
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by RollyShed » Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:57 pm

You want to send a file from one computer to another?

Install Dukto on both computers, open it on both and the "Send" computer should see the "Receive" computer in its list. Click on the "Receive" computer's name and 3 boxes open. Drag and drop the files or folders and they will then be on the Receive computer. If they won't go to a Windows computer you will need to stop a firewall blocking things on the Windows machine. I've a couple doing that.

Dukto can be installed on everything.

The programme allows a computer to receive a sent item but not to take anything it isn't allowed to.

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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by AZgl1500 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:12 am

by gm10 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:40 pm

AZgl1500 wrote: ⤴
Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:33 pm
Both have Network Discovery turn 'ON'

Good, but more importantly, do they have file and printer sharing turn on?
YES
all of our printers are on the WiFi network, not dedicated to a PC.

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Spearmint2 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:50 pm
Are the w10 set up with passwords?
yes

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by athi » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:06 pm
Found this in my Win10 setup cheat sheets. To enable smb/cifs file sharing (to share with non-windows10 network):
Click Programs and select Program and Features/Turn Windows features on or off
Check SMB 1.0/CIFS services, click OK and reboot
This was already Checked 'ON'
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I have noted that "Network Discovery" does NOT stay 'ON' for some reason.
every time I go review the status, it shows as 'OFF'....

this time, I turned it on, and left it.
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by Spearmint2 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:28 am

Have you tried this yet? Open file manager and use smb:// followed by the IP address of the share you want to connect to?

smb://192.169.1.16/
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by AZgl1500 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:43 am

Spearmint2 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:28 am
Have you tried this yet? Open file manager and use smb:// followed by the IP address of the share you want to connect to?

smb://192.169.1.16/
sigh!
it failed also, says make sure the device is online

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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by Spearmint2 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:55 am

Check the router page then, maybe it's "inactive" or some other interference.
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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by AZgl1500 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:28 am

RollyShed wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:57 pm
You want to send a file from one computer to another?

Install Dukto on both computers, open it on both and the "Send" computer should see the "Receive" computer in its list. Click on the "Receive" computer's name and 3 boxes open. Drag and drop the files or folders and they will then be on the Receive computer. If they won't go to a Windows computer you will need to stop a firewall blocking things on the Windows machine. I've a couple doing that.

Dukto can be installed on everything.

The programme allows a computer to receive a sent item but not to take anything it isn't allowed to.
This app does work, but is essientially useless.
It will NOT access the external SDcard which is where all of my pictures default to.
And, it does not show me the icons so that I can scroll down and pick out just one or two pictures.

all images are DateTime stamped, useless to me. I can't see what the image is.

ASUS File Manager is User Friendly, lets you decide to choose from

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In order to get the above image of ASUS File Manager to post here,
I had to 1st use ASUS FM to "share the Screenshot" to my email,
then I downloaded the attached file.

My daughter definitely will not put up with that at all,
and I am not going to either.

I will say, that DUKTO is super easy to install and get started to work with.
It just is NOT user friendly, and will NOT access SDcards which I noted immediately in the User Reviews on Google Playstore.

PC to PC? yeah, it can be of good use, and I will keep it for a tool to use,
I thank you for telling me about it.

One other irritation, it will not perform unless the Remote Receiving PC/device has DUKTO up and running. Another No No for my daughter.

So, I am still in Deep Kungfu as far as getting this damn Win10 laptop sharing files from anything on the local WiFi network... there has just got to be something that is being overlooked.

right now, I have the Firewall turned OFF which is not a good thing.

as for who mentioned that Laptops can wander off in sticky fingers, they are never out of our sight, we use them in our home only, unless we take a vacation, and they are in our RV trailer locked up.

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Re: Attempting to login to a Win10 laptop

Post by Spearmint2 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:33 am

Have you ever used

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gnome-screenshot -i
??

Also try Pinta. Or shotwell.

Shotwell Features

Import from disk or camera
Organize by time-based Events, Tags (keywords), Folders, and more
View your photos in full-window or fullscreen mode
Crop, rotate, color adjust, straighten, and enhance photos
Slideshow
Video and RAW photo support

Share to major Web services, including Facebook, Flickr, Tumblr and YouTube
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