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Pjotr wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:58 am
This Twitter thread (20 messages) from a doctor in Northern Italy (Bergamo) doesn't bode much good for us:
https://twitter.com/silviast9/status/12 ... 8654896129
(click on "Show This Collection" in order to see all messages in the thread)
And one from Lombardy here (equally worrying): https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/stat ... 1077697538

We have a trip booked to Maastricht in July Pjotr, and we've already decided not to go. Hopefully Europe will be in control of this thing by then, but as of now we're lying low this year.

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kukamuumuka wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:13 am
In China Corona can be controlled, because there the system is stronger than people. In Europe Corona will be difficult to stop, because we are more independent and states cannot control us.
Much the same here in SSA " Stupid States of America " e.g. USA :?

On one of our local Facebook Community Groups, there was a response by someone about a local Tulsa citizen ( 55 y/o ) who had returned home from Italy two weeks ago, went to the doctor and died a couple days later.

the response, was " Mr. Trump has fallen down by not handling this situation properly, that man should not have been allowed to come home."

well, he had no symptoms when he flew home, but a bit later he did and saw a doctor, then the hospital.

Now how is it, that our President is supposed to be involved in the daily lives of our citizens?
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Mick-Cork wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:32 am
We have a trip booked to Maastricht in July Pjotr, and we've already decided not to go. Hopefully Europe will be in control of this thing by then, but as of now we're lying low this year.
Right you are. It's no fun to run the risk of ending up quarantined for weeks in some hotel, even if you're not (very) ill. We can expect a temporary dip in the epidemic in the summer though, as is usual for flu / cold viruses like this. It's likely to flare up again in the autumn.

Personally, I won't go on a holiday until I've been vaccinated for this. As a vaccine can be expected to hit the market in a year, that effectively means no holiday for me this year. Only day trips. In the meantime, I'll try to stay healthy. :mrgreen:

What I find increasingly difficult to decide, as the epidemic progresses: how deeply should I let the epidemic influence my social life?
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We have to avoid the 'politics' of it AZgl1500 , so tread carefully!

I can only imagine how terrible it has been right in the thick of it (in the hospitals etc) where the worst outbreaks have taken place.

I'm not surprised Italy did a full quarantine, apparently the one they put in the north was 'leaked' so a lot of people (trains were reported as full leaving Milan etc) left to other parts of Italy (and elsewhere i guess?).

@Pjtor,

in terms of it influencing social life, just be sensible, avoid large crowds, wash hands, all that kind of thing. Here is a list of doctors and health professionals opinion on that kind of thing:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... aily-lives

There a range of risk-assessments in that which could help guide people?
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This morning, I went to the local doctor's clinic that I use, the clerk asked me if I had been "out of the country" lately?
I said, yup, about 45 times already...

she knew I was joking and we mentioned how badly it has effected Italy.

Other than that, we all washed our hands, I grabbed the "Purell" bottle and squirted that on my hands as I left.

Used my coat sleeve to open the outer door, and went home.

3 years ago, I lived "in hospital" with my wife during her last 6 months of life, bedridden and unable to go back home. She passed in hospital, specifically requesting the doctor to with-hold all medications and to provide Pain Relief only....

both kids were there with me, and the doc asked "are you all in agreement with this?" and I had to sign something to that effect..... she lasted about 6 hours after they turned off the IV drips.

But, we all went home knowing that 'mom' is now pain free, and we can rest and try to sleep at night.
Took me a year to get readjusted, but now I can talk about it freely.

We had my wife's father live with us at our home during his last year of life, not fun, he had a mind debilitating disease, did not know where he lived, or how to get "back home to Indiana" where he grew up. ( We lived in Arizona then )

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Pjotr wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:57 am
What I find increasingly difficult to decide, as the epidemic progresses: how deeply should I let the epidemic influence my social life?
Exactly the same thought process here. We're up in the hills of West Cork, Ireland, but are sociable and friendly with close neighbours. We have about an acre and I'm considering setting up a little socialising area outside where you can keep a bit of distance, but not feel isolated. We're thinking 'keep the house a virus free zone' whereby if it does get in it's down to us and no one else.

We're quite good at keeping up to date with news, but I think others close by are lagging a bit, for example with the details of what's happening on the ground in Italy. They might think we're a bit odd to start with, and if this thing does fade out they might be right! I'm thinking those who're cautious now will (hopefully) be better off in the long run.

Our local village, small as it is, has about seven festivals a year. Jazz, country, trad, summer fest, series of plays, folk and maritime fest, October thrashing weekend etc, and normally everyone gets enjoyment out of a few of them. There's also seven bars and a number of restaurants so it's going to be hard on all.

I'm a natural optimist, but very aware of the potential with this one.

(ps: AZgl1500 - That's a tough one. We spent two years recently looking after my father back in the UK. Put life on hold but I'm really glad we did it. He made it to 91 so we're grateful for that).

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Mick-Cork wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:53 pm
Pjotr wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:57 am
What I find increasingly difficult to decide, as the epidemic progresses: how deeply should I let the epidemic influence my social life?
Exactly the same thought process here. We're up in the hills of West Cork, Ireland, but are sociable and friendly with close neighbours. We have about an acre and I'm considering setting up a little socialising area outside where you can keep a bit of distance, but not feel isolated. We're thinking 'keep the house a virus free zone' whereby if it does get in it's down to us and no one else.
Interesting idea! Unfortunately my garden is a bit too small for that, but there's a public meadow in my village which might serve such a purpose....

If (God forbid) it would come to a quarantine, I'm thinking of setting up a permanent webcam connection with friends or family in the same position, in order to have low-intensity social contact during the entire day. Much as if we'd be in the same house, each doing our own things.
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Ok, without getting into anything political, here:

This video by Karl Beckmann is spot-on where costs are concerned. He's visited two different medical establishments, gotten an exam at both, pain meds at one, triage care and an x-ray at the other, and he's out the door for under €200. Uninsured.

The prices he paid would be co-pay prices here in America. End of story.

Not that this post has anything to do with COVID-19 (it doesn't) but for any of this board's many European members, in case you were curious, here you go.
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Kind of drifting off Covid-19, but along with the costs of treating it, this is just one example of drug pricing.

I take Losartan which is a blood thinner.

Humana charges me $4.00 for it,
big pharma charges from $175 to $300 for a 90 day supply.

https://www.goodrx.com/ Charges something like $15 for 90 days....

Medicare does not pay for drugs in my case, too damned expensive, Humana is not cheap either....
the only reason I have drug insurance is because my Retirement Advisor explained that " IF, I should end up in a hospital, the drug bills would exceed my pension check for the next 5 to 10 years... )

Price History for 90 tablets of Losartan 100mg

Average Cash Price
$122.94 Walmart and similar stores
GoodRx Fair Price
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Here is a story that makes it totally clear how much Covid-19 is effecting the economy.

After previously considering grounding its entire A380 fleet, Lufthansa is now preparing to ground the A380 through May,

https://www.intelligent-aerospace.com/c ... hansa-a380
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I read an interesting article on COVD19 yesterday, it explained very well the costs of the virus on the community, however, it's prime focus was on the political response in America, so not appropriate here.
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I don't doubt it will have an ongoing, significant impact for quite a while.
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Pjotr wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:44 pm
If (God forbid) it would come to a quarantine, I'm thinking of setting up a permanent webcam connection with friends or family in the same position, in order to have low-intensity social contact during the entire day. Much as if we'd be in the same house, each doing our own things.
Great idea :) Hey could you run a guide for doing that under Mint perhaps? Might be useful for many people over the coming months?
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Hi all,

my name is Keith and I am a member of the "Linux Mint Folding Team". viewtopic.php?f=58&t=243792I have just been informed by member darktheme that Stanford University has put out 6 special work units just for the Corona Virus.

If anybody has spare computer sycles could you please join the team and conribute to help come up with an answer to this new and dangerous threat to us all.

I live in the UK and figures suggest that 8 out of 10 will catch it. Having come through the last war I would not like to go out to a virus at my age

To all the new people that have joined the folding team recently, welcome to you all. I suspect BOINC's loss is our gain.

Any help that can be offered would be gratefully received.

Best regards Keith

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AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:23 pm
Kind of drifting off Covid-19, but along with the costs of treating it, this is just one example of drug pricing.

I take Losartan which is a blood thinner.
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losartan
Some hypotheses emerged in late February 2020 that AT1R blockers such as Losartan may work to mitigate the symptoms of COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) infection.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... /ddr.21656
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ZakGordon wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:49 am
Pjotr wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:44 pm
If (God forbid) it would come to a quarantine, I'm thinking of setting up a permanent webcam connection with friends or family in the same position, in order to have low-intensity social contact during the entire day. Much as if we'd be in the same house, each doing our own things.
Great idea :) Hey could you run a guide for doing that under Mint perhaps? Might be useful for many people over the coming months?
What I have in mind is dead simple: just place a laptop with a Google Duo connection with someone else, in your sitting room. Hook it up to AC, disable power management and continue with your daily life....

I imagine it'll help to reduce loneliness during quarantine, when you can have social contact that way during the day, by making a casual remark to each other once in a while and to cast a glance at each other now and then. Low-intensity social contact, but during the entire day.
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The Dutch province Noord-Brabant, in which I live, has entered a semi-lockdown yesterday. All major events are forbidden, including soccer matches.

People have been requested to reduce their social contacts as much as possible: the authorities have asked people to take their own responsibility in this. They've asked for a week of "social abstinence", but I bet this'll be prolonged...

We should work from home if possible, and stay at home in case of cold symptoms, even if they're mild.

We now see that clubs and societies in Noord-Brabant are voluntarily suspending all their activities. It's getting noticeably quieter on the streets of the cities.
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Stay safe.

This an interesting story (for the historic record) from the very start of the crisis in China:

'Coronavirus: Wuhan doctor speaks out against authorities':

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... uthorities
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Coronavirus: Troops sent to New York 'containment zone' -> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51826317

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I live in Washington State, where this all began for the USA. These are my humble observations of the situation here. There seems to be a split of reactions to this outbreak.

Group #1) There are a percentage of people who are fearful enough that they have hoarded TP, hand sanitizer, face masks, and bottled water. Presumably these people are also self-isolating as well, since Seattle is being noted as "a ghost town" by the local papers (I can't confirm, as I have always avoided Seattle due to ridiculous traffic levels and a general dislike of large cities). A large chunk (all?) of the tech industry workers, as well as anyone else whose job makes it possible, have been working from home.

Group #2) Then you have the other percentage of the population that just doesn't care. They are tired of hearing about it, think it's nothing worse than an average flu and is being blown WAY out of proportion by the media (regular flu kills 1,000's every year), only old people die of it, and its inconveniencing them by having to possibly change up their normal daily activities (which they aren't changing).

Our local state government has been very slow to respond to this outbreak, and is only now starting to try to do something about it. But I think that they won't do enough to truly curtail this outbreak, because the American people do NOT like being told what to do and there will always be some that will refuse and thus jeopardize everybody else. I honestly think that a very hardcore effort does need to happen in order to stop this from spreading, even if it pisses people off.

As to how this all got started? According to the local newspaper at the time this all began, our first known case was a man who had just come home from visiting family in China. He felt totally fine until shortly after he got home. The next day he felt worse, so went to the hospital. He ended up in an isolation chamber that had been in storage at the hospital for the Ebola outbreak some years ago. But since Ebola never happened over here, it and all the related hazmat equipment never got used until now. The man kept getting sicker and sicker, and finally the hospital staff got desperate and got permission to try an anti-Ebola drug on him. He recovered! Man eventually went home and is fine. But, all those people he exposed on the plane trip home to the US, and all the people he walked past in the airport on his way to his car... he unknowingly exposed a lot of people before he even had any idea he wasn't well. That's the Cliff's Notes of how this all started here. And then it spread to a nursing home, and ran rampant there... and now it's randomly popping up all over the state and the US in general.
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