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Moem wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:37 am
I see no reason to assume that this virus will be with us forever.
it'll be with us forever, just as somewhere someone can still contract polio. in future years covid-19 will be one of those added to the spectrum of viruses that can be killed with a vaccine and maybe even be included in a multi-vaccine.
this virus has to be cleansed completely off the whole planet, or destroyed slowly with vaccines and time
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:56 pm
it'll be with us forever, just as somewhere someone can still contract polio. in future years covid-19 will be one of those added to the spectrum of viruses that can be killed with a vaccine and maybe even be included in a multi-vaccine.
Yes, that's the most likely scenario, because of the rapid mutations in Corona viruses in general (Covid-19 is just one of them). That's the reason for the yearly jab for seasonal flu.

When a vaccine for Covid-19 becomes available, it'll probably end up being added to the mix of the yearly seasonal flu jab. That is, after the emergency Covid-19 vaccination for the entire population has taken place.... The yearly jab takes the new mutations of the known Corona strains into account.
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AZgl1500 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 am

I have decided that my forays will be limited to the dimensions of our 6 acres of grass and trees.
I'm doing the same here in Australia. I reckon these isolation restrictions are great if your a bit of loner, like I am. I'm not going anywhere. I'm 72 yrs old and live in a small rural town. My forays outside are only as far as my backyard workshop where I can happily spend my time counting all my nuts and bolts. This enforced isolation keeps the relatives away too, which is a bonus. I'm not missing having social contact with other people at all.

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I don't see anywhere that the RNA that was detected was still intact (viruses aren't alive) ...
IMHO, the use of "live" is perfectly cromulent. In a strict, biological sense "live" may have a more restricted sense but in common language "live" also means "active". We talk about "live wires", "live CDs", "dead batteries", etc. which obviously do not meet the biological criteria of "life". So IMHO it is not wrong to say "live virus" to mean one still capable of phrucking up your life to the point of taking it.
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IMHO, the use of "live" is perfectly cromulent. In a strict, biological sense "live" may have a more restricted sense but in common language "live" also means "active".
I disagree. Calling viruses 'alive' or 'live' might give the impression that they can multiply or transport themselves (spread) without a host. Avoiding those terms helps make the differences between viruses and bacteria clearer, which also has consequences for how we should behave around them, in order to stay healthy and keep others safe.

We all understand that a 'live' battery cannot walk or multiply. :D With viruses, it's not so clear.
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:35 am
I disagree. Calling viruses 'alive' or 'live' might give the impression that they can multiply or transport themselves without a host. Avoiding those terms helps make the differences between viruses and bacteria clearer, which also has consequences for how we should behave around them, in order to stay healthy and keep others safe.

We all understand that a 'live' battery cannot walk or multiply. :D With viruses, it's not so clear.
Well, calling a wire live could make someone think the wire might steal your wallet but that doesn't make the usage wrong.

You are entitled to your opinion but usage and dictionaries are with me. "Live" has the meaning of "active" just like "dead" has the meaning of "inactive" and it has no connotation of biological life and this usage is well established in the English language.

A "live round" as opposed to a blank. A live wire is active. Anything set and prepared to do its thing can be said to be "live" like an alarm, an ammunition round, etc.

Doctors and biologists refer to "live vaccines" when they contain actual viruses as opposed to containing only proteins and other virus "parts". If doctors and biologists use it that way your argument is with them, not with me. You can tell them they are saying it all wrong. I am not a doctor.

And all that is not even taking into account that there is no universally accepted definition of life and a definition which included viruses could be used. Viruses are born/created, they reproduce and then they become dead/destroyed. That would be sufficient to meet some definitions of life.

No one believes walking is a necessary requirement for life or else all plants, especially tomato plants, would all be dead. And as for multiplying, viruses multiply faster than we would like and that is the problem we are facing.

If someone says " it kills the virus" I understand perfectly that it means the virus is destroyed and rendered incapable of reproducing. I cannot imagine any misunderstanding.

Again, I am just stating what current accepted common usage is.

Now, If someone said to me "there is a bare electrical wire in that corner and my mother sitting in her chair on the other corner and one of them is live and the other one is not"... well, then, yes, I might ask for more details in order to avoid confusion. Is your mother wired into the panel with a white or a black conductor?
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Hey, we can just disagree, you don't need to write a dissertation to defend your point of view. We disagree. It's fine. 8)
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GS3 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:45 am

IMHO, the use of "live" is perfectly cromulent. In a strict, biological sense "live" may have a more restricted sense but in common language "live" also means "active". We talk about "live wires", "live CDs", "dead batteries", etc. which obviously do not meet the biological criteria of "life". So IMHO it is not wrong to say "live virus" to mean one still capable of phrucking up your life to the point of taking it.
I love this forum, even at 78 y/o I am still learning things that I never heard of in school.

had to do a search for that word, found it 'funny' :)
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AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:29 pm
GS3 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:45 am

cromulent.
I love this forum, even at 78 y/o I am still learning things that I never heard of in school.

had to do a search for that word, found it 'funny' :)
I'm over 10 years younger but I've been studying my language peripatetically for most of my life and I'd never heard of it either. :lol:
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PhilAypee wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:11 pm
AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:29 pm
GS3 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:45 am

cromulent.
I love this forum, even at 78 y/o I am still learning things that I never heard of in school.

had to do a search for that word, found it 'funny' :)
I'm over 10 years younger but I've been studying my language peripatetically for most of my life and I'd never heard of it either. :lol:
what a hoot!
had to look that one up too while I was walking over to the Dictionary. :mrgreen:
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Moem wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:35 am
We all understand that a 'live' battery cannot walk or multiply. :D With viruses, it's not so clear.
Not necessarily. I once saw a battery waddling in a perfectly cromulent way down an aisle in a Walmart. You'd be amazed at the s**t you see in a Walmart.
AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:29 pm
I love this forum, even at 78 y/o I am still learning things that I never heard of in school.

had to do a search for that word, found it 'funny' :)
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:11 pm
I'm over 10 years younger but I've been studying my language peripatetically for most of my life and I'd never heard of it either. :lol:
AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:25 pm
what a hoot!
had to look that one up too while I was walking over to the Dictionary. :mrgreen:
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Portreve wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:55 pm

Not necessarily. I once saw a battery waddling in a perfectly cromulent way down an aisle in a Walmart. You'd be amazed at the s**t you see in a Walmart.

Yep--probably true since they have absolutely no TP.
AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:29 pm
I love this forum, even at 78 y/o I am still learning things that I never heard of in school.

had to do a search for that word, found it 'funny' :)
PhilAypee wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:11 pm
I'm over 10 years younger but I've been studying my language peripatetically for most of my life and I'd never heard of it either. :lol:
AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:25 pm
what a hoot!
had to look that one up too while I was walking over to the Dictionary. :mrgreen:
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AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:25 pm
PhilAypee wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:11 pm
AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:29 pm


I love this forum, even at 78 y/o I am still learning things that I never heard of in school.

had to do a search for that word, found it 'funny' :)
I'm over 10 years younger but I've been studying my language peripatetically for most of my life and I'd never heard of it either. :lol:
what a hoot!
had to look that one up too while I was walking over to the Dictionary. :mrgreen:
That is my strategy for avoiding anything I don't like - well, that and jazz. Right now I'm listening to (and watching courtesy of YouTube) Ben Webster accompanied by Oscar Peterson, Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen and probably Martin Drew.

I'm happy sitting here listening, smoking my pipe and sipping a Jura single malt - and writing this post. 8)

Who wouldn't be :?:
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At least now I know what I was missing by never having watched the Simpsons.....:D
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here's a monkey wrench thrown into the corona-v machine:
mosquitoes are now on the rise. they multiply after the rains and bite us all in the summer. they carry human blood and spread it around to other humans.
haven't heard any scientists talk about viruses spread by mosquitoes that maybe this could be a great vessel for covid-19 also.
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trytip wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:54 pm
here's a monkey wrench thrown into the corona-v machine:
mosquitoes are now on the rise. they multiply after the rains and bite us all in the summer. they carry human blood and spread it around to other humans.
haven't heard any scientists talk about viruses spread by mosquitoes that maybe this could be a great vessel for covid-19 also.
Isn't this the reason so many people hoarded all the TP so they can wrap themselves in it protecting themselves from the critters?
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trytip wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:54 pm
haven't heard any scientists talk about viruses spread by mosquitoes that maybe this could be a great vessel for covid-19 also.
Here you go: https://www.mosquito.org/news/492656/Ca ... avirus.htm Sounds like a 'no'.
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Moem wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:52 am
trytip wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:54 pm
haven't heard any scientists talk about viruses spread by mosquitoes that maybe this could be a great vessel for covid-19 also.
Here you go: https://www.mosquito.org/news/492656/Ca ... avirus.htm Sounds like a 'no'.
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STAY AWAY FROM YA'ALL :roll:

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Strange, I did not have to log in. But here's where they got it from: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... th-busters
They also quoted the CDC who are saying:
• Mosquitoes and ticks can’t spread all types of viruses.
• At this time, we have no data to suggest that COVID-19 or other similar coronaviruses (e.g. SARS, MERS) are spread by mosquitoes or ticks.
• For a virus to pass to a person through a mosquito or tick bite, the virus must be able to replicate inside the mosquito or tick.
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