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Well, as long as we don't have a vaccine, our safest bet is to get our immune system into the best possible shape: eat loads of green vegetables, eat beef rather than pig or chicken, avoid junk food, lose some weight and do physical exercises daily (a daily brisk walk of 30 minutes should already be sufficient).

Goes without saying: quit smoking immediately and take it easy on the booze.

It's probably also a good idea to make it a daily habit to take some immune system booster pills, like time-released vitamin C pills and other pills with selenium and zinc. Don't overdo that, though: overdosing might do more harm than good.

Furthermore, apply some sensible hygiene, including wearing a disposable mask and disposable gloves in stores and in public transportation. Use an alcohol-soaked rag, even cheap ubiquitous household ethanol is fine, for cleaning your gloved hands before taking the gloves off.

If things go south anyway, make sure to have a good thermometer, a supply of paracetamol, a pulse oximeter (for early detection of pneumonia) and perhaps even some resveratrol capsules (which might alleviate the worst symptoms of Covid-19 by reducing leptins in your blood).
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Pjotr wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:18 pm

It's probably also a good idea to make it a daily habit to take some immune system booster pills, like time-released vitamin C pills and other pills with selenium and zinc. Don't overdo that, though: overdosing
might do more harm than good.
Might want to add vitamin D:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20075838v1
https://www.live5news.com/2020/05/08/sc ... -symptoms/
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Interestingly enough, China has probably done way more to prevent the spread of the disease than any western nation. Son and his wife were there for (Chinese) New Year and every village was in lockdown and they had to report every movement and register where they were at any time. Face masks were normal. Even Jessica's home village which is half way between Wuhan and Beijing had guards on the entrances and exits to the village, if you weren't from there, "Go away!" Their village saw no cases. In OZ, the borders were only closed late into the piece, and it is only state borders that were closed after that. There is no real restriction in travel between towns and, certainly no guards to say, Go Away. "Face Masks? Who needs Face Masks?" is very common. The Northern Territory, at least, has severe restrictions on travel outside of your community. Eldest son and Wife had to drive down for mum's funeral and were checked numerous times before they crossed the border to ensure that they were not straying from their intended route. My Daughter and her tribe drove in from Qld and were only checked at the border.
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Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 am
"Face Masks? Who needs Face Masks?" is very common.
Over here as well.... I do wear them in all shops I visit. Usually I'm the only one, unfortunately. They will become obligatory in public transportation soon, but otherwise the Dutch government has actively discouraged the use of face masks by the general public. :evil:

Some scientists point to aerosols as the primary cause of infection for both Covid-19 and other influenza viruses, so that would make wearing masks even more important. Keeping buildings at the right humidity (40-60 %) and well ventilated, would therefore be very important as well.
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I work remotely so it's much easier. Also, in my opinion, simple precautions are enough.

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none of your vitamins and good hygiene etiquette will do any good no matter how clinical and super clean you keep yourself. i'm an avid vitamin taker, started last year with C, Calcium, B-12 and Niacin most of them liquid form. i do feel my joints working better and i'm not as stiff as i was but i also stretch every shower i take i touch flat palms to the tub for 2 minutes .

but this is not the issue. the issue is that i have been one of those fortunate to keep my job and drive to work everyday. i have seen more carnage and accidents while the freeways were almost empty than when the country was full of driving cars. and bad accidents too. how in the world are there more accidents when there is much more free space on the roads. people are simply evil and follow too close to my bumper even the ambulances and cops do the same.

one day i seen 2 cars on fire one on my way to work and one on the way back? how did a car end up wrong way on the freeway and burning? maybe people finally want their insurance returned to them and can't make payments since most are unemployed, i can relate to that.

still doesn't account that the raw human nature i see everyday and it's not getting better. on the roads even when i go shopping locally on residential streets people here in California are EFING CRAZY
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trytip wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 9:35 am
none of your vitamins and good hygiene etiquette will do any good no matter how clinical and super clean you keep yourself. i'm an avid vitamin taker, started last year with C, Calcium, B-12 and Niacin most of them liquid form.
Why do you bother if you think it won't do any good?

It's an established fact that having your immune system in proper working order will cut down on your chances to be infected with the common cold, influenza and what have you. It doesn't make sense that this would be different with corona.
It's also an established fact that corona can be carried over by touching infected surfaces and that hand washing helps. But feel free to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.
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i have seen more carnage and accidents while the freeways were almost empty than when the country was full of driving cars. and bad accidents too.
Here in the Netherlands, we are seeing a slight downtick of traffic deaths. Not as much as the downtick of traffic, but at least not MORE deaths. Draw your own conclusions as you see fit.
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Moem wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 3:30 am
It's an established fact that having your immune system in proper working order will cut down on your chances to be infected with the common cold, influenza and what have you. It doesn't make sense that this would be different with corona.
Indeed so. It's all about the immune system.

Even vaccination isn't a magical shield of its own: it's essentially just a way to make your immune system more effective in dealing with a particular kind of germs. So of course it makes a lot of sense to increase the general effectiveness of your immune system.
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Moem wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 3:30 am
Why do you bother if you think it won't do any good?
i bother because i said none of your vitamins will do any good, but mine ... maybe. i don't take multi-vitamins which are basically bricks that sit in your stomach. also if you take it the wrong way and buy the cheap calcium you'll end up with kidney stones. the rest of vitamins i try to get from raw leaves in my garden.

i'm sure your vitamins serve you well also, but if not taken correct you will suffer. my brothers's mother in law suffered from the very thing, kidney stones. they should regulate these vitamins better and not allow rocks to be sold as nutrients.

i have been meaning to buy Balance of Nature fruits and veggies capsules but why so expensive? $100 on Amazon? and i i try to buy from the manufacturer page they want personal information and account? why?
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trytip wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:20 am
i bother because i said none of your vitamins will do any good, but mine ... maybe. i don't take multi-vitamins which are basically bricks that sit in your stomach. also if you take it the wrong way and buy the cheap calcium you'll end up with kidney stones. the rest of vitamins i try to get from raw leaves in my garden.

i'm sure your vitamins serve you well also, but if not taken correct you will suffer
So they won't do any good, they will at the same time serve [me, or someone else] well.
Right. I'll leave you to it.
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The more viral load you are exposed to the more likely you are to have a severe reaction. That's why medical personnel wearing protective equipment are still getting it and becoming very sick while others are walking around without even knowing they have it.
Moem wrote:
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It's an established fact that having your immune system in proper working order will cut down on your chances to be infected with the common cold, influenza and what have you
The antibodies in your blood that were created when you were sick with influenza before combat the influenza virus once you are infected again, perhaps so well that you don't even realize you have become infected, The reason your body can readily create antibodies to combat influenza when first exposed to it is because your DNA recognizes influenza because your parents were exposed to it and passed that information along in your DNA so the body a has the ability to create fairly specific antibodies to combat it. The only people who have antibodies that combat the covid 19 virus are those who have become infected with it and recovered and since none of our parents ever got it our DNA has to attempt to respond based on ancestral experiences with other corona viruses.

The real way your immune system becomes stronger is to be exposed to pathogens and build antibodies.

Beyond that the belief that eating vitamin pills, and processed food, and sitting on the couch in a musty apartment all day is a good way to support the immune system is ridiculous.
trytip wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 9:35 am
i have seen more carnage and accidents while the freeways were almost empty than when the country was full of driving cars

Clearly texting and driving is still dangerous, even if the freeway is empty, although its likely you are seeing the carnage because you aren't stuck in traffic.
I've been working too, cutting hardiplank siding with no mask. I question that the virus is really more toxic than the dust that stuff produces but I'm not about to quit working.

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stormryder wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 5:11 pm
Beyond that the belief that eating vitamin pills, and processed food, and sitting on the couch in a musty apartment all day is a good way to support the immune system is ridiculous.
I agree, and I'd be surprised to see anyone defend that belief.
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At the moment, the way I'm combating COVID-19 is doing what I can to listen to and follow as much as possible the advice of credible, legitimate experts, and avoid all the other nonsense, false information, conspiracy theories, etc., which float about in the general public's consciousness.
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Portreve wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 5:57 pm
and avoid all the other nonsense, false information, conspiracy theories, etc., which float about in the general public's consciousness.
That seems like a difficult task right now. The amount of misinformation is overwhelming right now. Probably unlike anything I've seen before.

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DISCLAIMER:
i know nothing about viruses, what i say is only to kill time!
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Portreve wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 5:57 pm
At the moment, the way I'm combating COVID-19 is doing what I can to listen to and follow as much as possible the advice of credible, legitimate experts, and avoid all the other nonsense, false information, conspiracy theories, etc., which float about in the general public's consciousness.
At the end of the day. Sh!t happens! The best we can do is; be safe, and be prepared! If the smelly stuff hits the fan, all we can do is hang on, and try and enjoy the ride.
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Moem wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 5:16 pm
I agree, and I'd be surprised to see anyone defend that belief.
Most people are living that reality right now.
Portreve wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 5:57 pm
legitimate experts
That's a term created by the media, I certainly haven't seen any practitioner make the outlandish claim that they are an expert on covid 19. I'd laugh at anyone who did make such a claim.
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Although she still has flair-ups, she has been most successful in controlling the disease by adhering to a fairly strict diet. Over the years she has had many doctors many of them gastrointestinal specialists, but only one ever recommended thinking about serious changes to her diet.
Experts indeed. Go ahead and listen to those experts, after all they are all getting paid very good money to tell you what's best.

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stormryder wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 12:09 pm
Moem wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 5:16 pm
I agree, and I'd be surprised to see anyone defend that belief.
Most people are living that reality right now.
I hope it's not as bad as all that. But you'll have to excuse me now, I'm going for a bike ride.
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