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Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 6:35 pm
by Charlie
i seem to have fallen over the solution and solved it. Just wish I knew what I did to achieve it. At least I hope so. I powered it down and I took it outside and it came up as 3G for the very first time.

YAY

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 7:41 pm
by Charlie
One thing that I find odd is that signal strength does not seem to affect speed much if at all. Earlier using my telescopic antenna and the router on a window ledge I was getting 93% signal strength but my download speed was more or less what I have become used to.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 9:57 pm
by AZgl1500
Charlie wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 7:41 pm
One thing that I find odd is that signal strength does not seem to affect speed much if at all. Earlier using my telescopic antenna and the router on a window ledge I was getting 93% signal strength but my download speed was more or less what I have become used to.
I have noticed pretty much the same with my Netgear MR1100
the Diagnostics Page shows "Poor" most of the time, but even when it shows "Fair", I do not see any improvement in speed.
It is a digital signal, not Analog.
So, once it achieves Sync w/o distortion, even if it is stronger, it does not seem to help much.

I have been told, that it depends more on the Equipment that is installed at a given cell tower.
Now this, I can believe....
a year ago, we were using a Single Channel Netgear LB1120 LTE modem.
depending on time of day, it would deliver much what I get on the 4 channel Aggregation LTE modem...
Prime time, lots of Network Congestion..... downloads in the 1-5Mbps range.

0300-0600 hrs, downloads as high as 40 Mbps, averaging 20-25 Mbps

March 2019 we toured the Southeastern states of the USA. From Oklahoma to Florida to South Carolina to Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee and home again. We were gone 5 weeks. That Single Channel LB1120 LTE modem never failed to work, but it gave us speeds of 1-3 Mbps to as much as 25Mbps, and we could see this changing as we drove down the Interstate Highway system.... I had a DC-AC power inverter to power up the Modem and WiFi router.


Study this SpeedTest.Net history page. I purposely selected the times where it shows fast and slow all in one segment of the History. Note that the Fast Speeds are in the pre-dawn hours when most folks are sleeping.
This is with the newer MR1100 LTE modem.... so, even though the modem can use 4 channels simultaneously, if the Cell Tower does not have all 4 bands in operation at the same time, it is a moot situation. It falls back to 4, 3, 2, and even sometimes to 1 channel.

the Prime Time hours after school/work the speeds drop dramatically.
I have the modem configured to display 24 hour time, makes it easier to see the facts of life.


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Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 8:46 am
by Charlie
AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 9:57 pm
Charlie wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 7:41 pm
One thing that I find odd is that signal strength does not seem to affect speed much if at all. Earlier using my telescopic antenna and the router on a window ledge I was getting 93% signal strength but my download speed was more or less what I have become used to.
I have noticed pretty much the same with my Netgear MR1100
the Diagnostics Page shows "Poor" most of the time, but even when it shows "Fair", I do not see any improvement in speed.
It is a digital signal, not Analog.
So, once it achieves Sync w/o distortion, even if it is stronger, it does not seem to help much.

I have been told, that it depends more on the Equipment that is installed at a given cell tower.
Now this, I can believe....
a year ago, we were using a Single Channel Netgear LB1120 LTE modem.
depending on time of day, it would deliver much what I get on the 4 channel Aggregation LTE modem...
Prime time, lots of Network Congestion..... downloads in the 1-5Mbps range.

0300-0600 hrs, downloads as high as 40 Mbps, averaging 20-25 Mbps

March 2019 we toured the Southeastern states of the USA. From Oklahoma to Florida to South Carolina to Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee and home again. We were gone 5 weeks. That Single Channel LB1120 LTE modem never failed to work, but it gave us speeds of 1-3 Mbps to as much as 25Mbps, and we could see this changing as we drove down the Interstate Highway system.... I had a DC-AC power inverter to power up the Modem and WiFi router.


Study this SpeedTest.Net history page. I purposely selected the times where it shows fast and slow all in one segment of the History. Note that the Fast Speeds are in the pre-dawn hours when most folks are sleeping.
This is with the newer MR1100 LTE modem.... so, even though the modem can use 4 channels simultaneously, if the Cell Tower does not have all 4 bands in operation at the same time, it is a moot situation. It falls back to 4, 3, 2, and even sometimes to 1 channel.

the Prime Time hours after school/work the speeds drop dramatically.
I have the modem configured to display 24 hour time, makes it easier to see the facts of life.


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I have just had a new fibre router delivered. So I tested the speed while I am on the subject.


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Less than 5 times faster than my 3G connection. Not fantastic. My old one was wasn't getting anywhere near that so they have sent me out a new router/modem in the hope I will stay with them. The equipment is a piece of **** really slow firmware. I am about to put it in modem only mode and connect my own router.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 9:10 am
by Charlie
Just tested my 3G again for comparison. If I could get a reliable 40Mbps from it I would dump fibre. I just wonder if an external antenna would boost me to 40mbps.


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Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 1:23 pm
by AZgl1500
Charlie wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:10 am
Just tested my 3G again for comparison. If I could get a reliable 40Mbps from it I would dump fibre. I just wonder if an external antenna would boost me to 40mbps.



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Doubtful.
I have two external antennas.

One of them is a small thing you stick to the Window Pane in the house.
It did not effect the Signal Strength at all..... <= I monitored the actual signal on the modem's Diagnostic page.

the 2nd antenna is a Yagi meant for outdoor use, I hooked it up one time inside the house, just holding it in my hands.
same thing, no improvement in speed.

If, the Yagi were mounted on a pole above the roof top, then it "might help" improve the signal strength.
You have to remember that to double the strength is just "3dB" so a Yagi with ~7dB gain can only improve things by doubling the signal twice "maybe".

So, in my case, the average signal being received is only -122 dBm to start with.... raising that to 118 dBm is not going to make a huge difference. See the screenshot for my Modem.

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Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 3:31 pm
by Charlie
That's interesting. I have just tried to download a torrent as a test and it never got over 2.5Mbps, probably not the best test. Still better than nothing.

Here's my stats from the router:

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I have my network set to TW (Taiwan). It is the most powerful signal in the house, even beats DD-WRT. I haven't the faintest clue what any of those stats mean though. Mine seem to be in a different format to your own so comparison is difficult.

The ad for this router did say it had the most powerful WiFi which I thought was the usual BS. But...

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 6:35 am
by Charlie
The tech on the Sierra forum problem insists he cannot reproduce my issue. We both followed the same steps but we appear to achieve differing results.

He wants me to nuke the units memory and put new firmware onto it.

Such a pain in the derriere though to remove the module from the router.

I just wish there was a way to flash new firmware via the router instead of removing those tiny screws again, then booting into Windows, and flashing from there, with the module physically plugged into a USB port.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:31 am
by Charlie
Right, finally finished doing what he asked and I don't think it has changed anything. I opened the chassis and did note an internal antenna cable had left its proper position though, not the one you might expect, the main one to the big antenna socket on the chassis, the pin had come out of its housing but the socket itself remained tight so no external clue to that. Rectified it and that had no apparent effect, still better done than left.

I know very well where the problem lies, the command "AT!SELRAT=01" is not sticking.

The tech is in Vietnam which is where the modules are produced so he won't answer until I am in bed. Bit of a bother but that's reality.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 5:44 pm
by AZgl1500
Charlie wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 3:31 pm
That's interesting. I have just tried to download a torrent as a test and it never got over 2.5Mbps, probably not the best test. Still better than nothing.
I have never, ever, had a download go faster than 1.8 to 2.5 Mbps regardless of how 'fast' my Internet connection is.

I am totally convinced that all of the servers are throttled to protect them from an 'out of service' condition.

Just last night, I made a long search to figure out why I can get decent download speeds, but NEVER, EVER have a decent upload speed.

found out that AT&T has chosen to install Band 66 on my cell tower ( about 1.5 miles distant )
and Band 66 is an Asymmetric comm link.... e.g., it will allow for very fast downloads with 4 channel Aggregation, but very restricted uploads with Single Channel uploads.... this is with my Netgear MR1100

My previous LTE modem is Single Channel, Netgear LB1120 and it has at times uploaded at 10 Mbps or more in the quiet times of 0300-0600 hours, but not on B66.

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Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 6:27 pm
by Charlie
That's good news for you then eh. Hope it doesn't inflate the cost. My provider which is the Three network at the moment are supposed to be upgrading their network to use Band L. I don't think my modem module supports it though.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/ ... o-4g.html

They call it 4G+ but I will believe it when I see it.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 7:34 pm
by AZgl1500
Charlie wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 6:27 pm
That's good news for you then eh. Hope it doesn't inflate the cost. My provider which is the Three network at the moment are supposed to be upgrading their network to use Band L. I don't think my modem module supports it though.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/ ... o-4g.html

They call it 4G+ but I will believe it when I see it.
I signed onto the "Blue Premium Unlimited" bandwidth plan....
no limit to how much I download per month,
just irked that I can't upload videos to YouTube until after 0300 hrs in the morning, and then, it is never faster than about 2.5 Mbps :|

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 7:43 pm
by Charlie
AZgl1500 wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:34 pm
Charlie wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 6:27 pm
That's good news for you then eh. Hope it doesn't inflate the cost. My provider which is the Three network at the moment are supposed to be upgrading their network to use Band L. I don't think my modem module supports it though.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/ ... o-4g.html

They call it 4G+ but I will believe it when I see it.
I signed onto the "Blue Premium Unlimited" bandwidth plan....
no limit to how much I download per month,
just irked that I can't upload videos to YouTube until after 0300 hrs in the morning, and then, it is never faster than about 2.5 Mbps :|
I'm using a temporary sim, monthly, from Smarty that uses the Three network. They had an offer 100GB for the cost of 50GB so I thought I would test it.

Free texts and calls included and believe me I use it and get my moneys worth. Cost around 20 bucks US.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 10:00 pm
by AZgl1500
Charlie wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:43 pm
AZgl1500 wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:34 pm
Charlie wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 6:27 pm
That's good news for you then eh. Hope it doesn't inflate the cost. My provider which is the Three network at the moment are supposed to be upgrading their network to use Band L. I don't think my modem module supports it though.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/ ... o-4g.html

They call it 4G+ but I will believe it when I see it.
I signed onto the "Blue Premium Unlimited" bandwidth plan....
no limit to how much I download per month,
just irked that I can't upload videos to YouTube until after 0300 hrs in the morning, and then, it is never faster than about 2.5 Mbps :|
I'm using a temporary sim, monthly, from Smarty that uses the Three network. They had an offer 100GB for the cost of 50GB so I thought I would test it.

Free texts and calls included and believe me I use it and get my moneys worth. Cost around 20 bucks US.
$20 bux US?

we here in the USA are being ripped off, the average costs for us is $100-$150 a month for lousy service.

I happened to be a customer before my vendor changed up their Business Plan, and the rates went up to $105/month from $85/month...
they put out an offer for current customers that 'if' we signed up for 2 years/renewable that I can have the new plan for $95/month....

I read about Cox Cable customers in Metro areas that have 250 Mbps with unlimited use, for $100/month.... plus their upload rates are unlimited, so they have 250 dn, 250 up.... tain't fair y'all. :twisted:

those of us who live in the Rural Outback are raped every time we turn around.
Higher gas prices, higher Internet costs, higher grocery prices... :evil:

and all of the above is just for the Internet....
my cellphone costs for 2 phones and a LTE modem is $107/month in addition to the above.
I have had the LTE modem for 15 years, only costs $5/month for it to be active, so I keep it....

when I travel away from the house, I take it with me.... speeds are mediocre, ~15Mbps down, and ~10Mbps up...
yup, the upload on it is faster than my main Internet.. the kicker is, it is a 2gB/month plan so have to be frugal with it.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:25 am
by Charlie
Wow grounds for revolt I'd say. You are being treated terribly and believe it or not I reckon we are being ripped off here.

Even food is more expensive I'd never stop complaining if I lived there. Is this why people tend to move areas a lot in the US?

I hear about people upping sticks and moving across the country as if it's normal to do that there. You need about 3 jobs just to pay the bills.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:27 am
by Charlie
The tech from Vietnam has finally found a solution.
You can meet only 3G network.

It reverts to default automatic (!SELRAT: 00, Automatic) after disconnected power cable and plugged back in.
This issues has been reproduced on module at your side.
In your case, the best way is to get support through your commercial channel (i/.e. who you bought the unit from.).
So "Charlie" was of no help to Charlie. It can't be hardware it's got to be the firmware?

I got the unit from China.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 8:14 am
by Charlie
Gone for a refund. I think I should get a partial refund at least for this.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 8:29 am
by AZgl1500
Don't about UK and Europe, but 3g is being turned off in the USA :(
Only 1x for SMS and 4g LTE are available now.

the promise of 5g is a dream in someone's eye.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 8:42 am
by Charlie
AZgl1500 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 8:29 am
Don't about UK and Europe, but 3g is being turned off in the USA :(
Only 1x for SMS and 4g LTE are available now.

the promise of 5g is a dream in someone's eye.
I read that the 3G frequency was being re-used for 4G somehow here so you could say it is being turned off. If it works for me than I am happy, if it does not then I am S.O.L.

Re: Looking for used Cat 6 4G LTE module

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 9:49 am
by Charlie
Here's some other guy with the 'exact' same problem and he is given the brush-off/workaround of "we cannot replicate your issue". Well I can!

https://forum.sierrawireless.com/t/mc7 ... de/13908

Which doesn't alter the fact that I have been sold a malfunctioning unit, knowingly or not, and thus, in my view, entitles me at the very least to a partial refund.

It is defective equipment by definition.