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Re: Linux is a communist plot

Post by Nicki » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:17 am

catilley wrote:........... Down with the communists and socialists! How in the hell did this topic get onto a computing forum?
Yes, how in the hell did this topic get onto a computing forum? So you have no idea? Did your finger stumbled on the keyboard?

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Re: Linux is a communist plot

Post by markfiend » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:29 am

catilley wrote:lagognon, no offense to you at all, but mabye I don't understand all there is to know about socialism.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Well, let's try to help you
catilley wrote:When I think of socialism, Adolf Hitler is the first person that comes to my mind.
Hitler was anything but a socialist. Yes, the **** party was the "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (National Socialist German Workers' Party) but their politics was as far from Socialism as it's possible to get.
catilley wrote:There is no need for me to explain his actions, we all know them. This kind of government flashes in my mind whenever socialism is mentioned. And, as someone else has said, this country is headed that way, for whatever that means.
Um. Not really. The USA is in no danger of becoming a socialist country. Limited (and it will be extremely limited) socialisation of healthcare provision does not a socialist country make. As it is, the (public) education system, many of the roads, the police-force, and many other public services in the US are taxpayer-funded, i.e. socialised. Does this make America a socialist country? So why is healthcare any different?
catilley wrote:I just enjoy living in a free democratic society. Whether it is communism or socialism, there are freedoms lost. The government rules, no matter what. If you oppose these governments, you become a political prisoner and are treated brutally.
So that doesn't happen in the USA? *cough* Guantanamo *cough* But seriously, this doesn't happen in the real world. Another poster mentioned Sweden as an example of a socialist country: do you seriously think that Sweden imprisons political dissidents? You're talking about totalitarianism, not socialism.
catilley wrote:You are told what kind of profession to work in, what home to live in, what doctor to go to, etc. In Canada, where medical care is socialized, patients go to India to get treatment, because the doctors make you wait so long for some procedures.
As a wikipedian might say... [citation needed]
catilley wrote:And I know that our health care system is going to head to a similar position. They are going to tell you how to live if you are being treated for certain conditions. For example, if you are being treated for lung cancer and you continue to smoke, your treatment will most likely be discontinued. If you are obese, they are going to put you on a diet and you must stick to it, or you will be cut off.
None of these things happen with the British (socialised) health-care system. Sure, they encourage you to quit smoking, cut down on the booze, lose weight etc. but your treatment won't stop if you don't.
catilley wrote:And there are rumors of "death panels" to discontinue aggressive treatments and give them pain relief only if they are chronically ill.
"Rumours" that are completely unfounded, "rumours" that were started by folks like Rush Limbaugh simply to whip up fear, uncertainty and doubt about healthcare reforms. Working well, isn't it?
catilley wrote:Well, I fit into the third group that I described. As you can imagine, I don't like the idea of it at all. What will be next? Putting the mentally unsound, the terminally ill, the chronically ill and so forth to "sleep"? These are the things that comes to mind when I think of communism and socialism. Are you really for this? I hope not, because anyone can easily "fall" into one of these groups by the government. And your family will get basically a "form letter" stating falsely that you had a heart attack, or some other lie, when in fact they gassed you. This is exactly the way the holocaust started. The government lying. But it got too big for them to conceal. I'm not for this at all. This thread was said to be a "joke" when it started. Well, it's not one. And yes, by living in a democracy, we all have the freedom of speech and perhaps I was wrong when I said that we shouldn't be thinking or speaking of these ideas. But I have the freedom as well to blast these sickening ideas and I will continue to do so. Long live freedom and democracy! Down with the communists and socialists! How in the hell did this topic get onto a computing forum?
You have no idea how ridiculous this all sounds to someone who is living in a country with a socialised healthcare system. America spends more per-capita on healthcare than any other country in the G20. Guess what position the USA is in terms of healthcare outcomes? I'll give you a clue, it's not in the top 19.

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Re: Linux is a communist plot

Post by Husse » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:35 am

This has developed beyond the acceptable for this forum
The original post referred to a blog calling Linux is a communist plot which is so stupid that it is funny
If the blog is genuine or a fake to make fun of ultra right wing ideas I don't know, seems genuine to me but I don't live in the US
I'll lock the topic, it has taken a bad turn and the "Obama is a socialist" people start popping up so it has become a political debate rather than comments about the blog linked to in the first post
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