Johnson & Johnson Covid Vaccine

[LanceM]

I seem to recall reading earlier this year some blood clot issues showed up with other vaccines as well.

Yes, AstraZeneca: https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astra ... -low-blood

Here's the report that SMG refered to: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/p ... a-cdc.html

Yikes! Oh well, if I clot, I hope it's a quick death

[rene]

Something tells me you're not a young(-ish) woman so chances will be on your side anyway

[Pjotr]

1 in a million are pretty good odds. Nevertheless, it's not good news. But life is all about weighing risks.... If I would be offered a Janssen jab today, I'd certainly take it.

Oh well. There's at least one advantage of having a complete and utter incompetent failure as Secretary of State for Health, as in The Netherlands (where vaccination is proceeding with the speed of a glacier): as long as we don't die of COVID, we can monitor what the vaccines are doing in the rest of the world.

[LanceM]

Something tells me you're not a young(-ish) woman so chances will be on your side anyway

I'm a 70+ geezer.

[BenTrabetere]

For those wanting to know about J&J experiences, this tweet and the response below it indicate some people had chills and felt like they had the flu. The person who tweeted said she nearly went to the emergency room because of the shakes, high temperature, and her fingers being numb and tinglish. She referred to her symptoms as a severe "normal" reaction. She felt better the next day.

That tweet was a response to another one indicating the CDC and FDA in the USA are recommending putting a temporary pause on J&J vaccines due to six reported cases of a rare and severe blot clot issue. I seem to recall reading earlier this year some blood clot issues showed up with other vaccines as well. The frequency of these issues were in line with the frequency of how often that type of issue normally happens, so it may not be related to the vaccines.

[majpooper]

I don't know the details of the J&J vaccine issue so will reserve giving an opinion. However what I will say in general in the USA pols/media have a very poor understanding of both risk assessment and distinguishing the difference between correlation and causation.

[rene]

Am also anything but medically trained but would personally for now expect some form of causation. Already after the EMA considered it at the very least plausible in the case of AstraZeneca and especially now that two vaccines using the same adenovirus seem to have the same issue. Some rare allergy, i.e., as per https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astra ... -low-blood,

One plausible explanation for the combination of blood clots and low blood platelets is an immune response, leading to a condition similar to one seen sometimes in patients treated with heparin

Which of course certainly is not to say that chances of any one person dying in a traffic accident while on the way to the vaccination location isn't (supposedly, not going to do the statistics...) much higher so if you wouldn't let that stop you...

By the way, either my glasses are really, really dirty or something's up with your avatar picture...

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...However what I will say in general in the USA pols/media have a very poor understanding of both risk assessment and distinguishing the difference between correlation and causation.

That's the understatement of the year so far!

[GELvdH]

What a lot of people do not understand is the astronomically fast development of these vaccines on the market today. It normally takes several years for vaccine development, this was done within a year so some of the side effects and repercussions will start to come to the forefront over the next few years. My wife received the AS and I had the Moderna. She had several days of chills etc. but is over it. I had no adverse reaction. We both got ours about a month ago.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

What many people do not realize is that the vaccines for Covid-19 were not developed from scratch; they were built upon decades of existing research and development.

https://news.wttw.com/2021/01/25/scienc ... evelopment

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... so-quickly

Also, far more money and personnel were thrown at this than for any previous vaccines.

Something else many people fail to realize is the reports of serious side effects have been almost infinitesimally few compared to the vast number of injections given so far and that there have been no deaths actually caused by the vaccines (despite erroneous reports to the contrary). Even the serious side effects have far less impact on the victim than the adverse effects getting the disease often causes, up to and including permanent disability and death.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 508599001/

https://www.postandcourier.com/health/c ... eb4f6.html

[DAMIEN1307]

All 50 states of the USA have halted the J & J vaccine...Europe reportedly is told by J & J that they are not offering its vaccine to the European public until more is know about side effects such as blood clots etc.

Thats all ive got on this for the moment that i just gleaned from the CBS evening news report...DAMIEN

[LanceM]

Luckily I and my friend slipped under the wire. Unless of course we croak from clots.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I just saw in the news that those six women who had blood clots were the only ones out of 7,000,000 doses given here in the SSA. You have a better chance of dying from shark attack here in Arizona (said Jeannie, tongue in cheek).

[rene]

It would seem likely to end up the same as AstraZeneca in Europe, i.e., with the relevant institution noting that causal relation can not be excluded even if direct evidence of such does also not exist and that, indeed, incidence is so low that it can be taken for granted. In Europe, the pause was I believe two weeks all in all.

[Destry]

$10 Million Dollar bounty for anyone who can produce a valid strain of Covid-19. Bounty has remained unclaimed for over a year now.

[rene]

Luckily I and my friend slipped under the wire. Unless of course we croak from clots.

So, croaked yet? (asked even if only to keep this thread from ending with what seems to of course be yet another utterance of unimaginable stupidity directly above)

[LanceM]

No side effects yet.

[rene]

You have once mentioned to belong to a certain medical risk group. Lady F. said that however you didn't even make the first third of vaccinations in the US. Wondering whether or not the US has a vaccination priority scheme and/or if you were in it. E.g. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... tions.html seems to imply phase 1c for those with underlying medical conditions --- but that then has me wonder how many have...

[ugly]

$10 Million Dollar bounty for anyone who can produce a valid strain of Covid-19. Bounty has remained unclaimed for over a year now.

Turns out these 'bounties' just don't bother to pay out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQThbC_AXQg

But, conspiracy theories about COVID are not relevant to the topic of people discussing people's experiences with the J&J shot.

[LanceM]

You have once mentioned to belong to a certain medical risk group.

Sadly, I definitely am in that group. No details here. Not because I'm bashful, just don't like broadcasting my woes.