New AMD processors-WOW

[MurphCID]

The new AMD 7000 series Ryzen have started showing up. BUT... Wow do these things run hot. 95C, but that is supposed to be normal and working fine. JayzTwoCents has his initial take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQHPE3Z4kmA Gamers Nexus is recommending a 360 rad on it. It has to be water cooled, and power draw is 200+ Watts. It is a new socket, and it is the intel style array where the pins on the socket, not the chip. These are just the first reviews of this chip. It looks amazing, turboing up to 5.7 ghz, and DDR5. Something to look at.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-r ... cpu-review
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryz ... 950x-linux
https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-7 ... ies-gaming
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/am ... e-high-end

[antikythera]

There's AGESA updates for them already. I take these early results with a pinch of salt but also historically the first batch have always been the least efficient of AMD processors when there's been a major architecture redesign. A 'b' die will be released along with plus variants before the next Zen core design for AM5, each time the power efficiency will improve and the TDP will lower eventually.

[MurphCID]

The one that looks to be the sweet spot is the 7700X, which is the 8 core part at 105 watts up to 140+ watts of power. You have to water cool these things. Motherboards are very expensive, as is the ram. It might be cheaper/better to just get a 5950x and an X570 motherboard.

[antikythera]

7700X can be air cooled with a tower air cooler and yes looks to be the sweet spot. I'm still happy with the 3700X in my gaming rig and don't see it being replaced any time soon to be honest unless the thing packs up. I don't overclock it and the more reasonably priced Noctua redux cooler is perfect for it. It's got more than enough cooling capacity for the 7700X too (optional second fan may be needed but they are so quiet it's eerie until you see in the monitoring the fans are turning in the system - non-windowed case)

[MurphCID]

7700X can be air cooled with a tower air cooler and yes looks to be the sweet spot. I'm still happy with the 3700X in my gaming rig and don't see it being replaced any time soon to be honest unless the thing packs up. I don't overclock it and the more reasonably priced Noctua redux cooler is perfect for it. It's got more than enough cooling capacity for the 7700X too (optional second fan may be needed but they are so quiet it's eerie until you see in the monitoring the fans are turning in the system - non-windowed case)

I have a 1700 (non-X) in my home desktop, and it is still working just great. So I REALLY do not need the upgrade.

[majpooper]

OK - the cheap skate here . . . . what is the price tag? I am still running a 12 year old 8 core Bulldozer.

[Pepi]

I bet they need water cooling Runs the temp of many car engines.

[MurphCID]

OK - the cheap skate here . . . . what is the price tag? I am still running a 12 year old 8 core Bulldozer.

$399 for the 8 core. Almost $800 for the 16 core.

[antikythera]

I bet they need water cooling Runs the temp of many car engines.

Not really, laptop chips could already run at 90 celsius without throttling anyway with a standard air cooled heatpipe or vapour chamber heatsink, now the desktop chips have a similar temperature range.

So while on paper it looks extreme it really isn't. Also if you watch the videos of these chips, as soon as the load reduces the temperature plummets which is proof they aren't overloading the coolers attached. AMD designed them to extract as much performance as possible from each core at that target temperature.

[antikythera]

OK - the cheap skate here . . . . what is the price tag? I am still running a 12 year old 8 core Bulldozer.

That's not cheapskate, it's being sensible. If something still works and meets your needs there's no point replacing it until it breaks.

[majpooper]

OK - the cheap skate here . . . . what is the price tag? I am still running a 12 year old 8 core Bulldozer.

$399 for the 8 core. Almost $800 for the 16 core.

OK now I get the WOW! I guess gamers or people whose job require lots of CPU horse power would be in the market for this sort of thing. $399 is more than I spent on my refurbished i7 16G refurbished laptop.

[antikythera]

The new Intel i9-13900K will be approx $781.79 after exchange rate - https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-c ... 25w-retail

Those top end ones aren't really aimed at gamers, they are essentially workstation level performance for content creators, CAD, coders who need the raw power. Gamers don't actually need that level of performance so a $400-ish Intel i7 or AMD Ryzen 7 will suffice instead without causing games to be CPU bound.

full specifications for that new Intel CPU: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... 0-ghz.html

I'd go for the KF which doesn't have the iGPU. More interesting? Whether Linux will have decent support for the new ARC PCIe cards from Intel because if they do that will be a reasonable alternative dGPU option for Linux going forward to AMD and NVIDIA.

[motoryzen]

BUT... Wow do these things run hot. 95C

Yes that but is ONLY during full load ( such as running Handbrake or Prime95 or any other program that keeps it at 99% or 100% full load)

In every day and gaming usage....the temps will easily stay under 80c worst case with just about any cooler and especially 95% of your decent $40.00 USD + aftermarket cpu coolers.

[MurphCID]

BUT... Wow do these things run hot. 95C

Yes that but is ONLY during full load ( such as running Handbrake or Prime95 or any other program that keeps it at 99% or 100% full load)

In every day and gaming usage....the temps will easily stay under 80c worst case with just about any cooler and especially 95% of your decent $40.00 USD + aftermarket cpu coolers.

I am NOT going to be an early adopter this time, I was for Ryzen 1, and have been very happy with it. My six year old desktop is still more computer than I have a use for.

[motoryzen]

MurphCID I don't blame ya for using that reasonable level of common sense. Often being an early adopter has more pitfalls than just simply waiting a few months.

[MurphCID]

Anyone have any of the new AMD offerings and are willing to share how well they are working?