MrD wrote:@Fedorarefugee: It seems some people here are denying poverty. Meritocracy doesn't work when you're born with a silver spoon in your mouth. Those that are lucky enough in the Game of Life ought to feel some pity for those whose life sucks. I'm sure you'd kick homeless kids, spit on minimum wage workers and other assorted holier-than-thou actions. Frankly, there are many of us this side of the pond who think it's a disgrace that 40 million of our 'friends' had no medical cover and might as well be left to die at the side of the road after an accident. I see your government is finally trying to do something about that. But then I guess you have no pity for those people either and would vote against reforms. In the meantime, continue with your slow genocide of the working class.
I'm not saying it's perfectly legal to fileshare, but many people turn a blind eye to it believing no one is losing out, with that section of society unable to pay for the data in the first place. One day they may get out of their trap and start paying. Till then, well it's a lot more than you think. Maybe you wish to lock them up for their 'crimes'? maybe that'll work, when jails have satellite tv, games consoles, etc, but then you have to pay for their stay. If you go down into the psychology of what happens, you'll understand the alternatives are far worse. I'm not a socialist at all, I have lived in poor socialist countries though. I bet if you heard individual stories maybe you'd shift your rigid position. What is a poor family supposed to do for their kids? When they have no money and can't provide anything for them? Let them grow up bullied and not becoming useful members of society? Feel free to be angry with those who have money and choose to download data, but attack the poor without working to help them out and you don't deserve any respect yourself. We live in a world of shades of grey, get used to it.
Who is denying poverty? In my country this is a stupid, old liberal game. If you think illegal immigrants should be deported you are racist. If you do not like Obama you are racist. If you are a capitalist you are greedy. Listen, I am a Christian and I am SURE I have done MORE for the poor, homeless, and 3rd world people in my life than you ever will! I give upwards of 25% of what we earn to charity, can you say the same? That is on top of government taxes in which at least some goes to government entitlements to help those less fortunate. What have YOU done to help your fellow man? What's that? You don't make enough to help others, you are having a hard enough time trying to support yourself? I understand! Really, I do! So why don't you stop and think what would happen if some of us did not make good money, earn a comfortable enough living that we can afford to give substantial amounts of money away! Who the hell do you think pays the taxes YOU are living on? It is a joke in my country, we call it Obama money. Listen closely to this:
That is YOU!
You should be ashamed of yourself!
No one has EVER been left on the side of the road to die! In fact, the UK has a bigger problem with this than we ever did! EVERYONE, including illegals, can walk into ANY ER and get attention regardless of money. This is a fact, it has always been so. The taxpayer ends up paying the bill. What our government just passed really had nothing to do with health care, it was merely a power grab, just like everything else they have done. Is our health care system perfect? Hell no! Is it just brimming with corruption? Yep! It seriously needs fixed. The bill that was passed does nothing to fix the initial problems. If anything it is going to drive the cost of health care up even higher making a much larger percentage of people dependent on the government. Duh! That was the WHOLE objective in the first place! The more people reliant on the government the more people that will keep the government in power. THAT is ALL it is about.
Slow genocide of the working class? I AM the working class!!! You need to quit listening to whatever BS you are listening to and wake up and look around you!
What would I do with the poor? I am glad you asked! I would allow them a means of support BUT I would make it limited so they could not get too comfortable with it. I would not give them government support that was much more than they could earn at a minimum wage job. That would ensure they went out and got a minimum wage job, or two, or even three, instead of sitting on the porch drinking beer, traded for with food stamps, all day, or stealing digital media for their DVD players or ipods. I would gladly pay people who have been unemployed, but they have a time limit to get a new job and they have to show that they have been looking. This system is ALREADY in place! I would simply ENFORCE it! I never said we do not need a social safety net. But we need to make sure that net provides the bare minimum on which to survive. We have government housing in this country, anyone who has a job at McDonalds can afford an apartment, your rent is subsidized by the government, you pay what you can. There is no excuse to be homeless. I do not know what planet YOU are living on, but I do know what is going on in my country. Like Hinto, I pulled myself up from the street. I moved out of my parents house at 17. I had to live in a 2 bedroom apartment with 4 roommates. I worked 3 fast food jobs to get by. I took out student loans (which ANYONE can get) and went to school. I got a carpenter job on a construction site and worked my way up through drywall, painter, and some electrical. I got married and had kids and we lived in a dump with an old 19 inch color TV with an antenna and 3 snowy channels. We sat on milk crates and ate Ramen noodles too. We saved, we used our money intelligently. I put my wife through college, she became a nurse. First an LPN, then an RN, and now an MSN! I worked hard all day and delivered pizzas at night. I saved up and opened my own aluminum installation business. My first year was rough, I worked with a buddy and we were never sure of our next paycheck. But I stuck it out, I fought going under countless times. I worked on the side, did what I had to do. And my business grew. As I made money I did not hoard it, I reinvested it put it to work. I grew my business, made other investments. But the top 10% ALWAYS went to God! Even if the weekly pay was in the double digits I managed to take 10% of the top, before anything else. I did not do much more for charity in those days, I needed everything I made to live on. But I was ALWAYS PROUD to pay my taxes! I never cheated and worked under the table like many/most of my peers. I claimed everything i earned. That is my duty as a citizen of this country, no matter how foolish the government spends it. God blessed me and I succeeded. Even today, when the construction sector is down, I still work. I had to cut corners, lay a team off...You want to talk about one of the hardest things to do...But my business survives. My investments thrive. I could retire right now, at 52. But then I could not use my excess to do God's work! I am currently going to school for my Masters of Divinity, I know that in a few years I will retire and devote the rest of my life to the God who has blessed me in this life. I do not know if I will preach in a small country church here, or maybe end up in China or Mexico on the missions field. God will open those doors when I get there, He always has in the past. It does not matter, this life is short and I will go where He wants me.
So you did not know the first thing about me, but I forgive you your stupid assumptions. You are deluded with your propaganda and you honestly feel that people with money are oppressing you. The sad part is the people with money are actually supporting you and keeping your economy going. Life is not equal or fair, no one can promise you this. Any government that promises equality is lying. Life is what YOU make it. You can sit on your ass crying or you can pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and try it again. All you do is try and pull everyone else down to your level. But I refuse to go back down. I have been there and I worked my way out. I will lend you a hand and try and help you up too but if you try and drag me down I will stomp on you! I earned my money and it is up to me who I give it to or if I keep it. Not you, not Obama, not anyone else. The American people will not stand for this crap. We elected the idiot in and we have to wait for him to finish his term, but he is gone! He is already gone! It does not work in my country.