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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by jimbobs » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:47 pm

MintBean wrote:
jimbobs wrote:Many governments, and government agencies, funded the development of the Internet.
And I would agree that the government and their agencies should be able to control those parts of the network they own as they see fit.
So which "parts" are those? How about ICANN?
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by jimbobs » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:49 pm

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jimbobs wrote:Not sure where you live but here in Ontario, we have a highway (Highway 407) built under a so-called public, private, partnerships, now operated by private corporations, policed by the tax-funded provincial police force with toll penalties enforced by (provincial) government.
It was built with the involvement of the government, so by agreement they were well within their rights to stipulate rules. It was not a purely private road.
Just like the Internet!
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by MintBean » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:16 pm

jimbobs wrote:So which "parts" are those? How about ICANN?
Put it in quotes all you like- I feel no onus to run off and try to justify what infrastructure was built by .gov and what was privately built. Suffice to say, precious little of the modern network infrastructure was funded by the military,

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by MintBean » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:19 pm

jimbobs wrote:Just like the Internet!
Not like the internet. There are vast swathes of private networks that comprise the internet that were built without any collusion with the government.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by jimbobs » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:05 pm

MintBean wrote:
jimbobs wrote:So which "parts" are those? How about ICANN?
Put it in quotes all you like- I feel no onus to run off and try to justify what infrastructure was built by .gov and what was privately built. Suffice to say, precious little of the modern network infrastructure was funded by the military,
I thought it was a simple question! My inference from your earlier comments was that you seem to think that Internet access is the be-all and end-all of the Internet and that net neutrality applied to that "part" alone.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by MintBean » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:28 pm

jimbobs wrote:I thought it was a simple question!
In that case, I don't have the answer for you nor the inclination to search for it. Please post back when you've done the research, since you're interested.
My inference from your earlier comments was that you seem to think that Internet access is the be-all and end-all of the Internet and that net neutrality applied to that "part" alone.
You inferred that which was not implied.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by jimbobs » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:01 am

MintBean wrote:
jimbobs wrote:I thought it was a simple question!
In that case, I don't have the answer for you nor the inclination to search for it. Please post back when you've done the research, since you're interested.
I don't need to do the research but I think you do.
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jimbobs wrote:My inference from your earlier comments was that you seem to think that Internet access is the be-all and end-all of the Internet and that net neutrality applied to that "part" alone.
You inferred that which was not implied.
Is that not a tautology?
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by jimallyn » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:43 am

Gentlemen, let's see if we can get this back on topic, please.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by jimbobs » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:56 pm

The commercial interests which have taken over the originally government funded Internet are the only ones against net neutrality. The only rationale for that is that they can see opportunities for further profits. The argument that it will allow them to invest further is clearly fallacious and does not make any sense at all.

However, the real problem we are facing is that the Internet has become a mandatory tool of modern life in some places at least: many government organizations disseminate all their information online; many organizations require all communications via the Internet. etc. etc. There are many doomsday situations that can be contemplated if net neutrality is diminished anymore than it has been already.

Furthermore, there is the economic concept of dominant players and how special rules need to apply to them so that their dominant positions or size does not stifle competition. If dominant players are allowed to take advantage of any relaxation of net neutrality rules, then a reduction in competition and a growth in the number monopolies can be foreseen. This will not be good for anybody - even neo-liberals!
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by jimbobs » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:57 pm

jimallyn wrote:Gentlemen, let's see if we can get this back on topic, please.
Mea culpa. I blame the end of year festivities :)
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by jimallyn » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:42 pm

jimbobs wrote:Mea culpa.
Mea Tooa.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by KalEl » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:38 pm

Hello
I really tried to understand this decision
I have thought in every aspect about this issue of privacy, freedom, freedom from capitalist markets in every possible reason to try to understand the real reason and if you are to observe all companies, services and etc ...
I can only say that no one will benefit from this decision and worse everyone will be harmed ...
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Pierre » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:58 am

even though this has died down a bit, over there in the USA,
- it's still alive down here:
https://www.computerworld.com.au/articl ... y-inquiry/
“Australia has no dedicated protections and existing legislation is insufficient to ensure that networks do not discriminate against or prioritise specific services, applications or content delivered over the Internet,” the Senator's motion said.
and the inquiry was knocked back . . .
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