Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by sikejsudjek » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:24 pm

Three systems upgraded (not clean install) no problems after a week or so. One or two programs don't work in wine any more, not a big deal.

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by carum carvi » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:06 am

I really love it. Can't think of anything that worked better in LM18.

Timeshift is improved. Vlc Mediaplayer is improved. The looks are improved. The only thing that has to be fixed is the standard setting for level 4 updates. For newbies this should be changed. Other than that I really enjoy Tara. Many thanks to the makers of this wonderful OS.

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by MrT » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:26 am

Did the upgrade as opposed to the clean installation. Clean installations always created issues with GRUB in the past, serious issues as a matter of fact.

Upgrade went smoothly and all I had to do was performing some "autoclean"ing to eliminate stuff that had been replaced but not removed from the 18.3 version.
LM 19 is working smoother than LM 18 or 17 for now. Unless line commands are required past the very basics instructions, any Windows user could be running and well in 1 or 2 hours time. Very impressed with how intuitive the use of LM is for a novice coming from Windows. I have not played around with Wine yet and may not do that. However, that would not be a LM problem per se.

Once the upgrade was completed, for some reason, the machine could not start and went into a GRUB rescue of sort, but I went into BIOS and noticed that the safe boot setting was checked and I unchecked it. After that, the next restart GRUB was back and already showing the LM 19 instead of LM 18.3 entries.

Upgrading saved me a lot of time by not having to toy with settings for the software I use (commercial or free).

Cinnamon looks better and sharper than before. I always create my own backgrounds and they look really nice.

All drivers switched on "out of the box", even the multiple displays, something that did not work in Ubuntu the last time I tried (with the 17.10 version of that distro 3 months ago or so).

The software in the official repositories still tends to be obsolete, although some updates were produced. But that is overall a different story. Thankfully PPAs have already been updated with the latest releases based on Ubuntu Bionic 18.04

I use LaTeX and TexLive was converted for me to the new Ubuntu Bionic... Very grateful to the people who made the upgrade program possible as it saved me lots of time having to roam the internet and downloading stuff.

I have made a point not to upgrade the kernel constantly and stick with the kernel 4.15.0 family In the past I could not as the kernel proposed was not covering the most modern drivers and needed to move to newer families for my machine to work.

Only "item" that surprised me is that in LM 17 and LM 18 I had an Intel microcode, not so in LM 19. However, the machine does not seem to have any issues. Not complaining, just stating that I noticed it.

One software issue that I am having, even if it does not produce any major consequence is with Anaconda. I have created my own launcher because, I will admit to it, I do like launchers and do not want to have to remember the "magic word" to launch a program from terminal. However, regardless of whether I use the launcher or if I start Anaconda from terminal, I get some issues with the terminal environment:
- from launcher I get bash: activate: No such file or directory
- from terminal, after typing anaconda-navigator, I get the message 2018-07-25 23:09:31,311 - ERROR anaconda_api.is_vscode_available:956
# Option “-x” is deprecated and might be removed in a later version of gnome-terminal.#
# Use “-- ” to terminate the options and put the command line to execute after it.#

and terminal environment refuses to open. I did not re-install Anaconda in going from 18.3 to 19. I wonder if that might have caused a problem. However the
message 2018-07-25 23:09:31,311 - ERROR anaconda_api.is_vscode_available:956 had been experienced by several users even under older LM editions.

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by CaptainKirksChair » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:59 pm

I upgraded my iMac to Mint 19.0 Cinnamon. I was rebuilding my WD Passport USB external 1TB drive and it seemed to screw up GRUB on the iMac. I have no idea why but when I finally got the external drive working properly (dual boot with macOS and Mint 19) I just upgraded the iMac to Mint 19 to solve the problems.

I did find that if you use Cairo-Dock with Mint 19, there will be a few things wrong. My issue was that the trash bin on the dock was not linked properly to the operating system trash. You have to run the following command from a terminal to fix the existing issues with Mint 19 and Cairo-Dock:

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sudo apt-get install cairo-dock cairo-dock-plug-ins
Everything else is working fine.

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by nioman » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:41 pm

To my mind Mint 19 is a good Linux distribution. However, it still suffers from the same problem as every other Linux distribution, which is why to this day I still use Windows as my primary OS: It takes a hell of a lot of time to get it working as I would like it to. Here are a few examples of the things I have been struggling with, just in the first few days:

1. My computer has multiple sound outputs. I never disconnect or reconnect any of them as my computer is located so that it is quite hard to reach the back.The system by default always changes back to the usb headphones at reboot/login. Changing the default device seems to do absolutely nothing. even if you do by using pacmd commands. (In windows I can simply choose the default output and the options stays through reboots)
2. Some of my bluetooth devices such as my wireless xbox 360 controller and my bluetooth headphones need to be paired again each and every time I want to use them. In Windows there are not any problems and even some Linux distributions have much better working bluetooth. For example in SteamOS my wireless controller works perfectly as SteamOS is using an upgraded version of xpad (I have been trying to find whether I can install the steamos version for Mint so far no luck)

These are just some examples of the first things that come to mind as to why Linux Mint is still not my daily driver. Don't get me wrong, there are also things I absolutely love. But getting started still is a lot of work which I could have spend doing something else then sitting on my computer :)

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by rene » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:41 pm

An Xbox 360 Wireless controller is not in fact a Bluetooth device; it uses a proprietary wireless protocol to communicate with its through USB to your computer connected receiver. A PS3 controller is a Bluetooth device...

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by nioman » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:44 pm

rene wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:41 pm
An Xbox 360 Wireless controller is not in fact a Bluetooth device; it uses a proprietary wireless protocol to communicate with its through USB to your computer connected receiver. A PS3 controller is a Bluetooth device...
My apologies. I had an error. What I meant was my xbox one wireless controller (bluetooth model) :)

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by rene » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:58 am

Other than that, yes, Bluetooth support sucks :)

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by simonsaysthis » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:44 am

Wanted to also give my 2c on this topic.

I am a huge Mint fan and probably will always be.

Mint is the most polished, thoughtful distro I know. I love the balance between consistency and the ever-evolving experience.

But as of Mint 19, I have to find an alternative distro as my daily workhorse. I am pretty sure a lot of the issues are upstream but that doesn't take away from my frustrations. I seem to have caught the wrong end of the stick, suffering from many of the rare incompatibilities.

Some of the hurdles:

Disclaimer: AMD Radeon Rx570 installed

1. ACPI buggy/erratic thanks to ASUS but on Mint/Ubuntu the issue is worse (could also be 4.15?)
2. Random Cinnamon freezes (I mean complete lock-up, no reboot possible)
3. Screen tearing in FF and sound issues in Chrome
4. Sound over HDMI stops working randomly
5. AMDGPU-PRO drivers don't play nice with Mint (thanks to AMDs stupid install script)

Can't wait for Mint 19.1 with a newer Kernel to see if I am lucky this time around.

Keep up the good work.

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by puddleglum » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:46 pm

Interesting observations, simonsaysthis. Have you ever used .0 Mint releases before? I have always used .3 releases and was wondering if .0 releases are always this buggy.

17.3 & 18.3 were great! Well, 18.3 was great until all the kernel upgrades for Meltdow/Specter/Forshadow. The proprietary drivers for my old NVidia card haven't kept up with the new kernels in 18.3, so I am also using 19.0 now. For some reason the NVidia 340 driver works with the 4.15.x kernels in 19.0 but not with the same kernels in 18.3. In 18.3 I come up in the nouveau driver even with 340 selected. The big problem with that is that nouveau will eventually cause Cinnamon freezes on my old HP Pavilion. So it's either 18.3 with an older kernel or 19.0 for me these days.

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by vonMos » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:19 am

From my experience Mint 18.3 is BETTER than 19. check my post HERE => viewtopic.php?f=60&t=279882

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by Neil Darlow » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:33 am

I am a newcomer to Linux Mint having used fedora for the last eight years and others before that. I came to Linux Mint after choosing it as a Windows 10 alternative for a new PC I was building for my wife. The ease of installation onto a mix of NVMe and conventional drives, availability of Timeshift and native snapshots on BTRFS and ease of integration of NVIDIA graphics cards all appealed to me.

Post-install, I just replaced Thunderbird with Evolution and Tomboy Notes with gnome-notes but that's just personal preference. The applications aren't always as current as in fedora but the availability of PPAs addressed that. I'm not a fan of Ubuntu but I think the PPA support in standard Linux Mint is better for me than LMDE - which I would have found frustrating.

Having installed it on the new desktop PC, I was sufficiently impressed to replace my laptop install of fedora Workstation with Linux Mint too. This is a Toshiba P50C from 2015 and, with Linux Mint on it, it must be the best Linux laptop experience I have ever had - even hibernation works should I choose to use it and it's already demonstrated excellent reliability.

If Linux Mint is like other distributions, in that it takes a couple of point releases to settle after a re-base, then versions following 19 "Tara" should be something for me to look forward to.
LM19 Cinnamon, Intel Core i5 8400 2.8(4.0)GHz, Corsair Vengeance 3400 16GB, Asus Cerberus GTX1050 Ti OC, Samsung 970 Evo 500GB M.2, Western Digital Blue 4TB, Wircard RealTek 8821ae PCIe Dual Band Wireless+Bluetooth 4.0, Pioneer BDR-209EBK BDRW

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Re: Mint 19 Opinions and Reviews

Post by rickNS » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:04 pm

puddleglum wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:46 pm
Interesting observations, simonsaysthis. Have you ever used .0 Mint releases before? I have always used .3 releases and was wondering if .0 releases are always this buggy.
I would not say that is any kind of rule or blanket statement. I use 18.0 still without ANY issue, I don't want, or NEED an upgrade. Before that it was 17.1 again without issue. I've tested 19.0 on persistent sticks, both Mate, and Cinnamon. Mate seems fine, cinnamon, not so much, slow boot, and terminal would not launch. As always your mileage may vary.

It's a good thing some people do use .0 releases, otherwise why produce them, and there would be no feedback for possible fixes for the .1, .2 etc. No need to fear .0 releases. If you don't like it don't install, like me with cinnamon 19.0
Mint 18 mate on 2 identical Thinkpad T420's

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