How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

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How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by lucasgta95 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:11 am

I'm thinking in using it on my lm19.1 but I want to know from you guys if it's stable, better performance, old bugs fixed, etc...

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Moem » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:18 am

No one can tell you that, because it's highly hardware dependent. So sure, go ahead and try it (after making sure you know how to roll back a non-suitable kernel), at your own risk.

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Hoser Rob » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:22 am

Unless you have very new hardware, as mentioned, it won't make much difference. And new kernels are far more lilkely to break old machines than fix old bugs.

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by trytip » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:09 am

test it yourself with dmesg | grep -i "error\|warn\|fail" seconds after a fresh boot, then use timeshift to backup your system, then install whatever kernel you want, test it again with the dmesg code again and compare the two

you may get a lot of warnings/errors but does not mean something is wrong
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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Hoser Rob » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:29 am

Forgot to mention before, the main thing you need to know first is that a newer kernel CAN break stuff so you should know how to revert to the old kernel before trying a new one ... BTW never delete the last kernel you had that worked.

If a kernel update does break things, reboot and while it's starting, hold down the left SHift key to bring up the grub menu. Then scroll down to the 2nd newest kernel, select that, and reboot. Then delete the new one in SYnaptic.

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by ajgringo619 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:44 am

I am currently running the 5.0.0-16 kernel, using mostly older hardware (as listed in my signature). The only (2) newer pieces are an SSD and a USB WiFi adapter. So far, I have noticed a huge improvement in WiFi link quality; I previously rarely got above 75%, now I'm consistently in the 90% range.

Obviously, your mileage may vary.
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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Namf_Mint » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:39 pm

Here is a somewhat unsystematic answer to your question.

I'm running a 5.1 kernel, via the (paid) version of the Ubuntu Kernel Update Utility. (The kernel I have is not the very latest stable version, because 'UKUU' had trouble installing that.) I find that it works fine.

I would advise installing a kernel Mint does not officially support only if you have good reason to think a bug you need fixed might be fixed in the new kernel (this is often the case with new hardware), and/or you can live with the possibility of extra problems and with the extra difficulty of finding the origin of those problems. (On that last point: if one installs a new kernel and then three weeks later encounter a problem, you won't be sure whether or not the new kernel solved it.) The speed increases of a new kernel tend not to be significant (at least for home users and unless you jump a long way across kernels - e.g. 4.15 to 5 - and one can make such a jump by waiting for the next version of Mint).

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Crippled » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:56 pm

I am running Kernel: 5.0.0-15-generic on Linux mint Xfce 64-bit and it's faster than the stock kernel.

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Kernel: 5.0.0-15-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
  v: 7.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa 
  base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic 
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: TUF X470-PLUS GAMING v: Rev X.0x 
  serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends v: 4207 date: 12/08/2018 
CPU:
  Topology: 8-Core model: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen 
  rev: 1 L2 cache: 4096 KiB 
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm 
  bogomips: 95813 
  Speed: 1514 MHz min/max: 1550/3000 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1514 2: 1516 
  3: 1742 4: 1648 5: 1542 6: 1530 7: 1522 8: 1525 9: 1509 10: 1519 11: 2485 
  12: 2152 13: 1514 14: 1514 15: 1547 16: 1534 
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] 
  vendor: VISIONTEK driver: radeon v: kernel bus ID: 09:00.0 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: ati,radeon 
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: AMD CEDAR (DRM 2.50.0 / 5.0.0-15-generic LLVM 7.0.0) 
  v: 3.3 Mesa 18.2.8 direct render: Yes 
Audio:
  Device-1: AMD Cedar HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5400/6300/7300 Series] 
  vendor: VISIONTEK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 09:00.1 
  Device-2: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel 
  v: kernel bus ID: 0b:00.3 
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.0.0-15-generic 
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
  vendor: ASUSTeK driver: r8169 v: kernel port: e000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
  IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
  IF-ID-1: tun0 state: unknown speed: 10 Mbps duplex: full mac: N/A 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 3.64 TiB used: 4.81 TiB (132.1%) 
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Marvell model: Raid VD size: 3.64 TiB 
  Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: HL-DT-ST model: DVD+-RW GHA2N rev: A103 
  dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw 
  Features: speed: 48 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes 
  rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running 
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 3.56 TiB used: 2.40 TiB (67.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1 
  ID-2: /boot size: 704.5 MiB used: 299.5 MiB (42.5%) fs: ext4 
  dev: /dev/sda2 
  ID-3: swap-1 size: 23.93 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-3 
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 32.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 46 C 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 
Info:
  Processes: 358 Uptime: 5h 21m Memory: 23.53 GiB used: 6.96 GiB (29.6%) 
  Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 7.4.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.19 
  inxi: 3.0.27 
I am command line illiterate. I am using Linux mint 19.1 Xfce 64 bit. I concur with this gentleman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKY40fRXKZs

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Hoser Rob » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:54 am

ajgringo619 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:44 am
I am currently running the 5.0.0-16 kernel, using mostly older hardware (as listed in my signature). The only (2) newer pieces are an SSD and a USB WiFi adapter. So far, I have noticed a huge improvement in WiFi link quality; I previously rarely got above 75%, now I'm consistently in the 90% range.

Obviously, your mileage may vary.
Apparently they fixed a bug in the wireless adapter driver.

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by trytip » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:23 am

Namf_Mint wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:39 pm
Here is a somewhat unsystematic answer to your question.

I'm running a 5.1 kernel, via the (paid) version of the Ubuntu Kernel Update Utility. (The kernel I have is not the very latest stable version, because 'UKUU' had trouble installing that.) I find that it works fine.
when ukuu has trouble installing a new kernel, take a look at https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ scroll down to the current kernel you are trying and see if the files needed are all there. a few times ubuntu has not posted the files on some kernels causing ukuu to not install anything.

as of right now, i see 5.1.9 is ready to be installed and i am currently using ukuu for this update.
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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by gm10 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:36 am

Namf_Mint wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:39 pm
as of right now, i see 5.1.9 is ready to be installed and i am currently using ukuu for this update.
Somewhat OT: Out of curiosity, for I never used or even looked at Ukuu, but I know that you've tried my PPA: any reason you're using Ukuu over my version of Update Manager for that?
Tune up your LM 19.x: ppa:gm10/linuxmint-tools

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by trytip » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:47 am

i have had to uninstall your PPA, i got conflicts with gdebi, and my synaptic package manager would not open mintsources any longer. not
sure if my synaptic is the issue (i have the one with upgrades not removed).

did not know you can use your scripts for mintupdate to install kernels. is this new?
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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Namf_Mint » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:58 am

@gm10

I don't think I have ever tried your version of the Update Manager!

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by gm10 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:01 am

trytip wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:47 am
i have had to uninstall your PPA, i got conflicts with gdebi, and my synaptic package manager would not open mintsources any longer. not
sure if my synaptic is the issue (i have the one with upgrades not removed).

did not know you can use your scripts for mintupdate to install kernels. is this new?
Sounds like the mint-common package didn't install, but wrong place to troubleshoot. And no, it's not new, the version I released always had full mainline kernel integration (unlike the official version, of course). I just never really advertised any of the features of my PPA. ;)
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I don't think I have ever tried your version of the Update Manager!
Likely not. I only meant trytip, for whom I knew. Sorry for derailing the thread, carry on with your Ubuntu 5 series kernel discussion. :)
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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Namf_Mint » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:08 am

trytip,

Thanks. However:
  • I wasn't sure which files I needed - do I need the 'all' package, and other packages?
    • crappy old Gdebi had problems with the packages;
      • installing the packages in terminal, using sudo dpkg -i *.deb gave various errors.
      I think I'll just wait to Ukuu to catch up.

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by smgordon1259 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:06 pm

lucasgta95 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:11 am
I'm thinking in using it on my lm19.1 but I want to know from you guys if it's stable, better performance, old bugs fixed, etc...
as stated above Kernels are hardware dependent, but that does not it will not work. If you decide to try 5.0 and you start to have problems you can always go back to the other kernel. reboot computer and press the SHIFT KEY many times until the GRUB menu pops up, there you will click the ADVANCED option and choose the kernel you had before 5.0, then reboot.
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Primary: Seagate 500GB SSHD, Secondary: Seagate 1TB SSHD, Tertiary: Hitachi 750GB HD

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Liqua » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:12 am

I just tried 5.1.9 on my machine and it didn't work well - i7/NVIDIA 1080ti using 384 drivers.

The NVIDIA driver portion failed during upgrade, with an error message stating that the kernel package was not supported.

I suspect if I remove the drivers and swap back to the nouveau version it will be fine.

*Edit: Removing the drivers and resetting them seemed to work OK, but then my multi-monitor setup broke. That, however, was more to do with reverting to Nouveau than the v5 upgrade. Also, I don't have enough knowledge to actually know what I am doing if it all breaks. (I know how to revert Kernels as I am now back on 4.x but beyond that ... still learning :shock: )

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Re: How is linux kernel 5 on linux mint?

Post by Centauri39 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:21 pm

I'm back on 4.18.0-21 because there's a sound issue with 5.0.0-16.

My speakers go into a standby in idle after a timeout.
To avoid this, I have this script (with sox installed):

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#!/bin/bash
while sleep 240s ; do
    if ! [ "$( pactl list short sink-inputs )" ] ; then
      play  -v 5.0 -n synth 1 sin 40
    fi
done
This sound is so deep, it doesn't bother me, but I do hear it.
Now when I use kernel 5.0.0-16, what I hear is some kind of chopped.

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