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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by HAWR » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:49 am

Hello Shinespark,

on the main Linux Mint website you can look under announcement of every desktop version the
System requirements:

1GB RAM (2GB recommended for a comfortable usage).
15GB of disk space (20GB recommended).
1024×768 resolution (on lower resolutions, press ALT to drag windows with the mouse if they don’t fit in the screen).
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3786

and these are for LM 19.2 Cinnamon 64-bit.

I use a ten year old Sony laptop with 4 GB RAM and it runs very well with LM 19.2 Cinnamon 64-bit. Maybe you can tell us your laptop model and we can find out more.

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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by blueocean » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:50 pm

HAWR wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:49 am
Hello Shinespark,

on the main Linux Mint website you can look under announcement of every desktop version the
System requirements:

1GB RAM (2GB recommended for a comfortable usage).
15GB of disk space (20GB recommended).
1024×768 resolution (on lower resolutions, press ALT to drag windows with the mouse if they don’t fit in the screen).
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3786

and these are for LM 19.2 Cinnamon 64-bit.

I use a ten year old Sony laptop with 4 GB RAM and it runs very well with LM 19.2 Cinnamon 64-bit. Maybe you can tell us your laptop model and we can find out more.
Good post. I'm glad there's others that support my first post. Your experience mirrors my own.
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by JerryF » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:06 pm

If you can, why not download a couple/few different ISOs of Mint and try each one in a live environment, preferably on a USB drive.

A good way is to use MultiBoot. http://multibootusb.org/

Depending on how large your USB flash drive is, you can put several ISOs onto it and boot, then try the different Mints 18.x to 19.x (Xfce, MATE, or Cinnamon)
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by blueocean » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:22 pm

JerryF wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:06 pm
If you can, why not download a couple/few different ISOs of Mint and try each one in a live environment, preferably on a USB drive.

A good way is to use MultiBoot. http://multibootusb.org/

Depending on how large your USB flash drive is, you can put several ISOs onto it and boot, then try the different Mints 18.x to 19.x (Xfce, MATE, or Cinnamon)
Yes, that's what I said in my first post. Seems like shinespark has disappeared. Maybe he got confused by all the contrary posts :?
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by smurphos » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:37 pm

HAWR wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:49 am
and these are for LM 19.2 Cinnamon 64-bit.
With all due respect to the devs, the Cinnamon editions should specify something like 1.5GB RAM (3GB for comfortable usage) as the minimum. The DE itself does need more RAM than MATE/XFCE out of the box. so on a limited RAM device all else being equal a Cinnamon machine will hit bottlenecks with lots of open applications sooner than an MATE/XFCE machine. I personally wouldn't bother with Cinnamon on anything with less than 4GB RAM.
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by HAWR » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:00 am

@smurphos

I trust the "manufacturers" of LM, that they know, what they write for the basic system requirements. Of course, other hardware specs can play a role in combination with experiences, too. But to find it out, the thread opener has to post at minimum the laptop model.


By the way, the TO has written of 4 GB RAM.

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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by Samarian Sunset » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:44 pm

I have two 'ancient' computers with Mint 19.2 Cinnamon.
A 10 year old Dell Optiplex 780 with 4GB ram, SSD, Intel Core 2 Duo 3.4 Ghz, Nvidia GEForce GT 330 GPU.
A 11 year old HP Compaq 6730b notebook with 4 GB ram, SSD, Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 Ghz, integrated graphics.

Both run sweet and fast, I'm very happy with the way Mint 19.2 Cinnamon works on them.

BTW...anyone test driving a live Linux on USB should know that if you have USB 2 like I do, the speed will be much slower when run from the USB stick, than when the OS is installed on a hard drive where it will be much faster.

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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by blueocean » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:20 pm

Samarian Sunset wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:44 pm
I have two 'ancient' computers with Mint 19.2 Cinnamon.
A 10 year old Dell Optiplex 780 with 4GB ram, SSD, Intel Core 2 Duo 3.4 Ghz, Nvidia GEForce GT 330 GPU.
A 11 year old HP Compaq 6730b notebook with 4 GB ram, SSD, Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 Ghz, integrated graphics.

Both run sweet and fast, I'm very happy with the way Mint 19.2 Cinnamon works on them.

BTW...anyone test driving a live Linux on USB should know that if you have USB 2 like I do, the speed will be much slower when run from the USB stick, than when the OS is installed on a hard drive where it will be much faster.
Good point. Don't judge performance live vs install
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by Shinespark » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:50 pm

blueocean wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:22 pm
JerryF wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:06 pm
If you can, why not download a couple/few different ISOs of Mint and try each one in a live environment, preferably on a USB drive.

A good way is to use MultiBoot. http://multibootusb.org/

Depending on how large your USB flash drive is, you can put several ISOs onto it and boot, then try the different Mints 18.x to 19.x (Xfce, MATE, or Cinnamon)
Yes, that's what I said in my first post. Seems like shinespark has disappeared. Maybe he got confused by all the contrary posts :?
Sorry, I didn't mean to! I just had a busy weekend and didn't get around to doing this until late last night.

I installed Peppermint alongside Windows 10 and tested. Indeed Peppermint runs movies better than Windows 10, but it still stutters with the more demanding movies (less so than Win10). I tried MPV but it stutters more than VLC on the same movie!

Thoughts?

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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by blueocean » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:58 pm

I'll stand by my suggestion to try Cinnamon, Xfce, or Mate. Does this laptop have a dual core processor or single?
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by Shinespark » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:35 pm

blueocean wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:58 pm
I'll stand by my suggestion to try Cinnamon, Xfce, or Mate. Does this laptop have a dual core processor or single?
How do I find out? I'm afraid I don't know anything other than what I wrote in the OP.

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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by catweazel » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:38 pm

Samarian Sunset wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:44 pm
I have two 'ancient' computers with Mint 19.2 Cinnamon.
A 10 year old Dell Optiplex 780 with 4GB ram, SSD, Intel Core 2 Duo 3.4 Ghz, Nvidia GEForce GT 330 GPU.
A 11 year old HP Compaq 6730b notebook with 4 GB ram, SSD, Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 Ghz, integrated graphics.

Both run sweet and fast, I'm very happy with the way Mint 19.2 Cinnamon works on them.
You're one of the fortunate few. Generally it is unreasonable to expect a leading-edge OS to run smoothly, if at all, on such ancient equipment.
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by catweazel » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:46 pm

Shinespark wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:50 pm
I installed Peppermint alongside Windows 10 and tested. Indeed Peppermint runs movies better than Windows 10, but it still stutters with the more demanding movies (less so than Win10). I tried MPV but it stutters more than VLC on the same movie!

Thoughts?
Thoughts? Well, if you explicitly purchased that machine to run Windwoes 10 and "demanding movies" then your point about stutter is valid. On the other hand, if you had neither of those in mind at all when you purchased it, you are expecting too much because your new requirements surpass what the machine is capable of.

If the machine stutters with video then don't even bother with cinnamon at all. Try xfce, or MATE. Alternatively, try KDE neon. KDE is not the resource hog of times past, it's light and quick. If none of those work for you then you need to find a distro that is designed for under-powered kit, emmabuntus and MX Linux being worth a look-see.
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by Shinespark » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:55 pm

I see. Thank you.

I didn't purchase the computer for this specific purpose, or at all. It was gathering dust in my family's place, so I picked it up and replaced the terrible Win 7 Starter Edition with 10, but it didn't go so well...

I think it may be time for something more drastic, so I'll go ahead and try emmabuntus and MX Linux.

I have a question though. Does performance suffer in computers with multiboots? If I install one of those OS's, it'll be the third one installed simultaneously on the laptop.
Also, does it matter if I play the movie from a USB drive? I move them to the computer's hard drive before playing them but just in case I thought I'd ask.

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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by catweazel » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:02 pm

Shinespark wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:55 pm
I see. Thank you.
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Shinespark wrote: Does performance suffer in computers with multiboots?
No, not all.
Shinespark wrote: If I install one of those OS's, it'll be the third one installed simultaneously on the laptop.
Also, does it matter if I play the movie from a USB drive? I move them to the computer's hard drive before playing them but just in case I thought I'd ask.
I put movies down on a USB stick for my old cheese to watch on TV. As long as the movies aren't the demanding type you mention then they should play ok without needing to copy them to the HDD. Anyway, you can always try it from the USB flash drive and copy the file if it needs a bit more speed. In general though, playing them from the flash drive should be fine.
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by Shinespark » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:07 pm

Thank you for all the help. I'll give it one more shot. I'll come back and inform how it went!

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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by Shinespark » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:21 am

I tried MX Linux... unfortunately the performance wasn't any better than Peppermint.

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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by Spearmint2 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:53 am

Try Lubuntu. The install ISO is only ~700 MB in size, so it's light weight, yet well featured.

https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by JerryF » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:26 am

Shinespark wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:35 pm
blueocean wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:58 pm
I'll stand by my suggestion to try Cinnamon, Xfce, or Mate. Does this laptop have a dual core processor or single?
How do I find out? I'm afraid I don't know anything other than what I wrote in the OP.
Open the Terminal in one of your Linux OSes, then run this command and copy and paste the results from your Terminal command in between code tags.

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inxi -Fxz
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Re: Which version is best for an old laptop?

Post by Shinespark » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:04 pm

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$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: SR388 Kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.1 
           Distro: MX-19_x64 patito feo October 21  2019 base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Sony product: VPCEK20AL v: C901T33Q serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Sony model: VAIO serial: <filter> BIOS: Insyde v: R0160E3 date: 06/13/2011 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 35.1 Wh condition: 35.3/63.3 Wh (56%) model: SONY Corp. VGP-BPS26A status: Charging 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: AMD E-450 APU with Radeon HD Graphics bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Bobcat L2 cache: 512 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4a ssse3 svm bogomips: 6583 
           Speed: 824 MHz min/max: 825/1650 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 825 2: 834 
Graphics:  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320] vendor: Sony driver: radeon v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:01.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: ati,radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: AMD PALM (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.19.0-6-amd64 LLVM 7.0.1) v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.6 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Wrestler HDMI Audio vendor: Sony driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:01.1 
           Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia vendor: Sony driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:14.2 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-6-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Sony driver: atl1c v: 1.0.1.1-NAPI port: 2000 
           bus ID: 01:00.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Foxconn driver: ath9k v: kernel port: 2000 
           bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-3: Qualcomm Atheros AR3011 Bluetooth type: USB driver: btusb bus ID: 4-2:3 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 7.31 GiB (1.6%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: HTS547550A9E384 size: 465.76 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 110.21 GiB used: 7.31 GiB (6.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 49.9 C mobo: 31.0 C gpu: radeon temp: 50 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:      Processes: 177 Uptime: 4m Memory: 3.46 GiB used: 864.2 MiB (24.4%) Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 
           Shell: bash v: 5.0.3 inxi: 3.0.36 

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