What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

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What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by wim1966 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:11 am

Linux Mint 13 Maya is supported until April 2017. See https://www.linuxmint.com/download_all.php . What do I have to do? Do I have to switch to another version of Linux Mint (Rosa, Serena,... which is recommended?) ? Is this by upgrading from Maya, or by downloading the other version? Is it recommended to do this now already, or is it better to wait until March/April 2017? Is there an exact date for the end of the supoort for Maya?

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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Pjotr » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:17 am

You have to switch before the end-of-support date for 13. By means of a clean install, of a Mint version that still receives security updates. Which means: 17.x or 18.x, that's up to you. :)
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Pierre » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:20 am

it would be prudent to upgrade:
- you could goto either LM17 or LM18,
but, if you goto LM17, then that already has limited time-span.
so, then maybe you should go straight to LM18 instead. ..

it would really depend on whether you wish to have,
close to the full five years of support.
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by MintBean » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:24 am

I see no advantage in sticking with 13 until the bitter end.

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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by xfrank » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:40 am

Problem is that LM 13 has lower hardware requirements than 17 and 18. I have it installed in an old Athlon X2 PC and works very well. I doubt 17 or 18 would run in that machine.
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by MintBean » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:55 am

xfrank wrote:Problem is that LM 13 has lower hardware requirements than 17 and 18. I have it installed in an old Athlon X2 PC and works very well. I doubt 17 or 18 would run in that machine.
Unfortunately I doubt there's much way around that as the underlying Ubuntu core is getting heavier. I would be looking towards other distros for those machines. I hear a lot of good things about MX-16.

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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by karlchen » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:56 am

I do not see what should be wrong with sticking to Linux Mint 13 till it has reached he end of its supported lifetime.
There is no bitter end. There will only be the end of its supported lifetime, in April 2017.
Provided Linux Mint 13 satisfies your needs and supports your current hardware why give up on it before the end of its supported lifetime in April 2017?
Of course, it may be wise to start trying out more recent Mint releases before April 2017 in order to make sure that by May 2017 you will have installed another Linux Mint LTS release which works equally well on your hardware and which will be supported until April 2019 or April 2021.
And as weak hardware has been mentioned: thinking of my old Zotac Atom processor machine, looking around for a Mint 13 replacement may really end up in switching to a different Linux distribution. :(
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by MintBean » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:59 am

karlchen wrote:I do not see what should be wrong with sticking to Linux Mint 13 till it has reached he end of its supported lifetime.
There is no bitter end. There will only be the end of its supported lifetime, in April 2017.
Provided Linux Mint 13 satisfies your needs and supports your current hardware why give up on it before the end of its supported lifetime in April 2017?
Of course, it may be wise to start trying out more recent Mint releases before April 2017 in order to make sure that by May 2017 you will have installed another Linux Mint LTS release which works equally well on your hardware and which will be supported until April 2019 or April 2021.
Indeed, I stated it badly but that was kind of what I was getting at- no point in waiting until it's unsupported to try something else.

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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by jimallyn » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:09 pm

xfrank wrote:I doubt 17 or 18 would run in that machine.
I am posting this from a Mint 17.3 install on an Athlon X2 processor, and I have used this almost daily for several years. It's no blazing speed demon, but it does work. The only time it gets unbearable is if I have a lot of Facebook tabs open. (Facebook uses a LOT of scripts, and they really suck a lot of CPU and RAM.)
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Bolle1961 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:54 pm

wim1966 wrote: Is there an exact date for the end of the supoort for Maya?
I'm curious too, I want a countdown on my blog so an exact date would be nice ;)
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Laugh2 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:41 pm

Trials of recent LM on older Laptops.
I tried LM17.1, 17.3, 18, and 18.1 on several single core laptops, which currently run LM13 very well. The recent LM versions all had high background CPU usage and the mouse moved jerkily, as described in viewtopic.php?f=46&t=235788.

I've also tried LM18 Xfce, which also had jerky mouse movements, and LMDE which was extremely slow and unusable.

What to do?
Currently I'm still using LM13 on the old machines but presumably that's not good. The "Dirty Cow" scare illustrates one of the issues involved. :shock:

So, what to do? Is there a Linux distribution many LM13 users are migrating to for legacy hardware, which is running well - I'm interested in the popularity of alternatives rather than the names of possible alternatives. :?: (I have already looked at Tiny Linux, and some other light Linux distros but have no idea about which distros are popular with recent LM13 users - does anyone know?) Of course, I'd like to stick to LibreOffice, Firefox, and my other favourites.

Background
I like Linux Mint and run LM17.x/18.x on a handful of machines. I have also very much appreciated and enjoyed the Mint community's postings and support, so I'll certainly stay with LM on multi-core machines.

But, since there is a lot of legacy hardware in operation doing everyday computing such as email, socialising, browsing, spreadsheets, etc. and which runs happily on LM13 it does seem an unfortunate end to perfectly good resources, especially for those in less affluent families and communities. (Dare I draw a comparison to Windows users, who are usually forced to buy new hardware for new OS versions?)

Yes, there are other Linux distributions. Some people like me would prefer the efficiencies of using one distribution for all machines, esp. Mint after trying many distributions when leaving Windows and now being familiar with good basic knowledge. There are presumably many who will revert to Windows already installed on new hardware rather than have the inclination and have the time to find and learn new Linux distribution.
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Bolle1961 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:49 pm

Why not give the unofficial Linux Mint Lxde versions a try?
http://www.linuxmintusers.de/index.php at the right you can find them.
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by karlchen » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:59 pm

Laugh2 wrote:Currently I'm still using LM13 on the old machines but presumably that's not good. The "Dirty Cow" scare illustrates one of the issues involved.
This is not really correct.
Linux Mint 13 users can update to the most recent kernel version of the kernel series 3.2.0 or 3.13.0, depending which kernel series is in use on their system, and these kernels hold the "dirty cow" patch as well.

Examples of Linux Mint 13 system with patched kernels:

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$ inxi -Sx
System:    Host: computer Kernel: 3.13.0-107-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.6.3)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 2.0.14 (Gtk 3.4.2-0ubuntu0.9) dm: mdm Distro: Linux Mint 13 Maya

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System:    Host: unimatrix0 Kernel: 3.2.0-120-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.6.3) Desktop: Xfce 4.10.0 (Gtk 2.24.10)
           Distro: Linux Mint 13 Maya
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Laugh2 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:05 pm

Why not give the unofficial Linux Mint Lxde versions a try?
http://www.linuxmintusers.de/index.php at the right you can find them.
OK, I'll try LM-Lxde a try since I haven't previously. Thanks for the suggestion.

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I tried Live USB's for LM18.1-Lxde from http://www.linuxmintusers.de/index.php? ... ic=39073.0 and Lubuntu, which Lxde refers to for aUbuntu flavour (refer https://wiki.lxde.org/en/Category:LinuxDistributions). Unfortunately both were extremely slow once running.

This was probably to be expected since they are using the same/similar kernel, which is where the problem seems to lie. Perhaps karlchen's note above could be taken to indicate that the newest version of Linux Kernel 3.x series is necessary on single core machines.
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Laugh2 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:11 pm

Re: Dirty Cow
Linux Mint 13 users can update to the most recent kernel version of the kernel series 3.2.0 or 3.13.0, depending which kernel series is in use on their system, and these kernels hold the "dirty cow" patch as well.
While this probably saves me from exploitation via Dirty Cow, this probably doesn't qualify as a proper update for LM13. So the update question remains ... Thank you for the solution to my illustration example, though.

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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by MintBean » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:14 pm

Laugh2 wrote:There are presumably many who will revert to Windows already installed on new hardware rather than have the inclination and have the time to find and learn new Linux distribution.
That implies Windows 10 runs like a champ on these very old machines, which I sorely doubt.

I really don't think people comprehend the amount of manpower that would be required to support these lightweight builds. It would require either a special edition, or artificially limiting new features for everyone (plus no doubt a rebase on something lighter than Ubuntu) to accommodate a minority of low powered machines.

At the end of the day, whilst it may feel inconvenient to switch there comes a point when you're much better served by a distro targeted at low end machines. There are many of them, but Mint isn't one.

The same argument could be made that every distro should support these ancient computers, and of course there's always the next guy with hardware a couple' years older than yours who also wants support - where do you draw the line? Ultimately every distro would be command-line based if you follow this to its logical conclusion.
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Laugh2 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:53 pm

That implies Windows 10 runs like a champ on these very old machines, which I sorely doubt. ...
The same argument could be made that every distro should support these ancient computers, ...
Well, even XP wasn't as quick as LM13 on these machines, would Windoze 10 even install? I have Win10 running in VMWare and Virtualbox but haven't attempted on old laptops ...

I agree with you that newer versions shouldn't be held back by legacy hardware, nor lots of manpower tied up with it. Especially since it is largely volunteer hours and expertise from some excellent people then their motivation mightn't extend to the older hardware.

However, since there is a lot of the old hardware still running happily on LM13 there is still an audience and need for something like LM13. Changing distros after many happy years with Mint would be a pity. (For a minority supporting multiple machines it also means dividing time and energy between 2 distros since I'd still use Mint on multi-core machines.)

Does anyone know how many machines are still running LM13, perhaps from the number of update downloads?

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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Pjotr » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:21 am

On very weak old hardware, I advise to try Peppermint OS 7, which is based on Ubuntu 16.04:
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... peppermint

Or Lubuntu 16.04:
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... ct/lubuntu
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Re: What after April 2017 (end of support for Maya)?

Post by Moem » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:10 am

Why not send people directly to the source?
https://peppermintos.com/
http://lubuntu.net/
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Post by Pjotr » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:02 am

Moem wrote:Why not send people directly to the source?
https://peppermintos.com/
http://lubuntu.net/
Several reasons. One of them: I provide some more information about these distro's on my own website, which I think might be useful for others. Including to-do lists after installation, which many people have reported to like. Does that bother you?
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