Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

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Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by Chris_H » Fri May 24, 2019 10:00 pm

Hello,
I just finished an installation on one of my laptops, and after updating all the software. I was shocked at the lack of web browser support.
I count some 3 "standard" web browsers, and some 3 additional text browsers. Opera wasn't available, nor some of the many popular Mozilla, and Chrome derivative browsers. Is there a policy that prevents the introduction of these into the application repositories? Or are there any additional repos anyone might care to recommend?

Thank you for all your time, and consideration.

--Chris

P.S. This is on a Mint Cinnamon 19.1 install.

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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by RIH » Fri May 24, 2019 10:05 pm

You can use just about any browser you like.

I have used Opera ever since I used Mint 18.
https://www.opera.com/

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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by Chris_H » Fri May 24, 2019 11:06 pm

Thanks for the reply, RIH!
apt search opera -- nadda
apt list opera -- nadda
apt install opera -- nadda
Are you suggesting I add http://opera.com to the repo list?
I have no interest in using Mozilla (Firefox), or Chrome, and would be hard pressed to install either just so I can type http://opera.com into the URL bar to install Opera, or ...

Thanks again for taking the time to reply!

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Post by Schultz » Fri May 24, 2019 11:08 pm

What browser(s) are you interested in? I use Pale Moon and Basilisk downloaded from their respective websites.

There's also a Pale Moon repo you can add: https://software.opensuse.org/download. ... e=palemoon
Just make sure you select the correct Ubuntu version that corresponds with Mint 19.1.

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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by RIH » Fri May 24, 2019 11:32 pm

If you put
https://www.opera.com/
into any of the currently available browsers then you can click on the Download Opera button
Opera.png
opera-stable_60.0.3255.109_amd64.deb
will download & can be installed by right mouse clicking & selecting to install with the Deb package installer..
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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by Chris_H » Fri May 24, 2019 11:44 pm

Schultz wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:08 pm
What browser(s) are you interested in? I use Pale Moon and Basilisk downloaded from their respective websites.

There's also a Pale Moon repo you can add: https://software.opensuse.org/download. ... e=palemoon
Just make sure you select the correct Ubuntu version that corresponds with Mint 19.1.
Thanks, Schultz! A repo. Exactly what I was looking for!
I too like Pale Moon. In fact I'm typing this from Pale Moon now. Albeit on one of my BSD servers. :)

Thanks again, Schultz!

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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by AZgl1500 » Fri May 24, 2019 11:52 pm

the only one that I will use is Firefox for daily use.

I have Opera, Quadzilla, Chrome, Brave and Dillo available for testing only.
all of them fall short of what Firefox can do.

have Tor also, but that is not a general web surfing browser.

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Post by Chris_H » Sat May 25, 2019 2:29 am

Well. On the subject of adding browsers to Mints repos. Here's one for the Iridium browser:

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wget -qO - https://downloads.iridiumbrowser.de/ubuntu/iridium-release-sign-01.pub|sudo apt-key add -
cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/iridium-browser.list
deb [arch=amd64] https://downloads.iridiumbrowser.de/deb/ stable main
#deb-src https://downloads.iridiumbrowser.de/deb/ stable main
EOF
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install iridium-browser
Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by smgordon1259 » Sat May 25, 2019 8:56 pm

yeah all I could find was just a couple, after googling "web Browsers for Linux" I would have thought there would be much much more to choose from. *sigh

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Post by AZgl1500 » Sun May 26, 2019 12:03 am

smgordon1259 wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 8:56 pm
yeah all I could find was just a couple, after googling "web Browsers for Linux" I would have thought there would be much much more to choose from. *sigh

https://www.slant.co/topics/4281/~web-b ... -for-linux
what are you really looking for?
that list comprises just about all the available browsers in computer land.

IMO, the 1st one on the list, Firefox, is as far as you needed to go.

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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by phd21 » Sun May 26, 2019 1:50 am

Hi Chris_H,

Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux Mint and its excellent forum!

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

Although there may not be many browsers in the Mint / Ubuntu software repositories (Software Manager or Synaptic Package Manager (SPM)), there are many browsers available for Linux users to choose from and most require downloading them or installing their repository. Some downloads will add their repository to your system software sources like Vivaldi (excellent), Chrome, Opera, etc... once you have installed them.

Another Browser I really like is called Slimjet with some excellent features, but I don't think they have a repository that can be added to your system instead you get notified of updates and have to re-download and install the updated version.

Hope this helps ...
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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by Pierre » Sun May 26, 2019 2:11 am

do look in the LinuxMint Software Manager - - there is all sorts of software program contained within there.
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even some extra Web Browsers - all in the section called "Internet".
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Post by kc1di » Sun May 26, 2019 4:02 am

you can download opera from their web page. https://www.opera.com then install it via gdebi, it will add a repository to your apt list to keep it up to date if you tell it to during install.

You can install chromium-browser (which is basically chrome) by doing this command

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sudo apt install chromium-browser
Or you can download chrome from the web page and install it with gedbi and it will add the correct repository for updates also.

Other browsers are much the same. Good luck in your search.
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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by kc1di » Sun May 26, 2019 4:42 am

Chris_H wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 10:00 pm
Hello,
I just finished an installation on one of my laptops, and after updating all the software. I was shocked at the lack of web browser support.
I count some 3 "standard" web browsers, and some 3 additional text browsers. Opera wasn't available, nor some of the many popular Mozilla, and Chrome derivative browsers. Is there a policy that prevents the introduction of these into the application repositories? Or are there any additional repos anyone might care to recommend?

Thank you for all your time, and consideration.

--Chris

P.S. This is on a Mint Cinnamon 19.1 install.
Mostly the other browsers are not included in the repositories because of licensing issues. Opera is not open source, Chrome is not open sourc (though they have and open source equivalent in chromium) I suspect many of the others are similar.
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Post by Lord Boltar » Sun May 26, 2019 5:45 pm

Only open source browsers are in the software manager - if it is not open source you such as Goggle Chrome, Opera, Waterfox, Slimjet and some others you will have to go to there respective websites and add it via PPA or download the deb file if they offer it.

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Re: Why so few webrowsers? Any other recommended repos?

Post by Chris_H » Sun May 26, 2019 5:48 pm

phd21 wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 1:50 am
Hi Chris_H,

Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux Mint and its excellent forum!

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

Although there may not be many browsers in the Mint / Ubuntu software repositories (Software Manager or Synaptic Package Manager (SPM)), there are many browsers available for Linux users to choose from and most require downloading them or installing their repository. Some downloads will add their repository to your system software sources like Vivaldi (excellent), Chrome, Opera, etc... once you have installed them.

Another Browser I really like is called Slimjet with some excellent features, but I don't think they have a repository that can be added to your system instead you get notified of updates and have to re-download and install the updated version.

Hope this helps ...
Thank you very much for the thoughtful, and informative reply, phd21!
Indeed. There are many to choose from on the Internet. But all, as you indicate, require adding their repos to your personal list.
While this will often get the job done. This can also create additional complications. Not the least of which adding libraries that are either incompatible, or have been found to have security, and stability (problems|issues). So it's not a simple task. :)
OTOH I've been with BSD for some 30yrs. now, and currently maintain ~150 ports (BSD' equivalence to packages) in their official repo. So I'm thinking that I might simply start a long term repo, now that I've decided to maintain an LM install on one of my rigs. I'm also missing several "must have" apps that I already maintain, and depend on on my BSD boxes/servers. So they'll need to be included, as well. As to the browsers; I'll need to contact the authors, and manage a mutually equatable arrangement. Then I'll fire up a git repo and sort out all the build logistics. Then export it to a bonafide LM repo for (LM/*buntu) user consumption. :) The git repo can also double as a ticket management system for dealing with any issues that may arise along the way.
Well. I'm going to get back to whipping my new LM install into shape. Then I can come back to all this "repo" business. :)

Thanks again, phd21. For your thoughtful reply!

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Post by phd21 » Sun May 26, 2019 9:55 pm

Hi Chris_H,

You are welcome...
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Post by Hoser Rob » Wed May 29, 2019 9:04 am

Chris_H wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:44 pm
... A repo. Exactly what I was looking for!...
That's actually a ppa you're talking about, not a repo. Ppa's are not supported by Mint or any other distro, repo software is. Don''t confuse them.

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Post by Schultz » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:43 pm

Hoser Rob wrote:
That's actually a ppa you're talking about, not a repo.
I really don't know what the difference is since I don't use PPA's and outside repos, but the maintainer calls it a repo:

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Post by Pjotr » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:29 pm

The Palemoon repo is not an official repo. It's an unofficial and unsupported repo, just like PPA's. Only the official repo's are officially supported.

The unofficial ones, whether they're called PPA's or otherwise (what's in a name), are equivalent to the Wild West. There are cowboys and indians. Some are reliable, some are unreliable and some are downright hostile. And there's no cavalry to save your behind when things go wrong. :mrgreen:
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