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Qiana mate vs. windows 8.1

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I am a long term linux user, hence long time use of old computers. However the computers with 1.8GB hard drives just do not work as well so I bought
a new computer with no operating sys, and installed Qiana Mate, and love it. Then I bought another computer with windows 8.1 on it. I cannot believe that more people do not use linux. Compared to win 8.1. it is a breeze to run linix mint. I had forgotten that with windows you need virus apps. Tried avg but windows will
not let me use it. Tried to download windows defender, cannot seem to figure out how to do it. Meanwhile internet explorer is bombarding me with out my
request with various other products that I have no use for. The desktop is a poorer example of ubuntu 14.04 lts, To try and get system tools you have to keep moving the mouse to the right edge of the screen and hope they appear. I promised myself I would work with this system and learn it, but truthfully it is
amazing to me that anyone would want to use windows 8.1. Or am iI just so used to linux that I am not being fair??
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Re: Qiana mate vs. windows 8.1

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No, I'd say you're being perfectly fair.
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rosswmcgee nails it, and sums it up--Thank you

Win 8 can be tamed, but very bloated, awkward, and intrusive out of the box, especially so with oem preloads.
Making it look and feel like Win 7 is not that difficult, (assuming one even likes that to begin with)

Win tries to perform every task for every person and therefore does not excel at any.

And my pet gripe:

Win 8.1 will overwrite non MS files that were purposely installed by the user with no warning or permission.
Win 8.1 updates will bypass the Linux installed grub boot screen making the computer default boot to Win8.1.
It just shows the gall and arrogance of that huge monopoly.

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all41 wrote:All together now---Goodbye Bill
+100000 !!! :mrgreen:
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OK, I confess to being a KDE user rather than Mate. But, if I may add in here...

I hold that Microsoft got the user interface RIGHT with Windows 95. It was genuinely easy and intuitive. I could pick up the operation of 95 right off from the first moment of booting up my Pentium 133. Only the concept of 'copy and paste' for files threw me but once I understood it I had to go, "That's actually smart."

I then hold that Microsoft has just lurched from one fad to another, from the internet to server support to handheld device handling and then tablets with no coherent strategy and usually with complete overreaction. (Kinda like the route Gnome seem to have gone.)

KDE picked up from Windows 95 and developed it sticking with just producing an intuitive, powerful but friendly desktop. When I ran up KDE 4 it was like coming home because it was like the Windows 95... but working and developed. (I thought Windows 95 was intuitive but the OS itself was sooooo unstable!)

So Linux does Windows better than Windows.

But, I show users here how fast and easy to use Linux KDE is... and they agree. And then buy Windows. Most users you have to club them to death to get them to let go of Windows. But in Indonesia everyone uses pirate software. Linux cannot compete with the market leader when Windows 7, Office 2012 and Adobe Photoshop can be bought for $25 as a package and installed by the vendor on your laptop. Sure, the machines are usually a mess and quickly virus ridden but most users do not consider this. They just want Photoshop. Sigh.

BTW, no disrespect to Mate. Cinnamon, Mate, XFCE and KDE all work from a Windows 95 start button experience. You just get to choose according to taste.
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all41 wrote:And my pet gripe:

Win 8.1 will overwrite non MS files that were purposely installed by the user with no warning or permission.
how you tried the "reset function"??
- kills everything that the 'owner' has installed. ..

yeah - that fixes "your fault(s)" but - now you have to re-install "everything".
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I bought a used HP laptop that had Windows 8, I quickly wiped the hard drive and installed Linux. I did look at Windows 8 when I was deciding weather or not the laptop could run Linux and I did not like how I had to open window after window to get to any information. The tiles were confusing and in my opinion they looked terrible. I could see why so many people were not happy with Windows 8.

I think Microsoft changed too much too soon and it was too drastic a change when people were perfectly happy with the Windows 7 interface.
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Jedinovice,
So Linux does Windows better than Windows.
Let's get one thing straight Linux is NOT better than windows.

It's waaay better
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Jedinovice »
So Linux does Windows better than Windows.
Perfect! Can I quote you on that?

Take a peek at Windows source code -
windowssourcecode.jpg
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YBYSA you can
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austin.texas wrote:
Jedinovice »
So Linux does Windows better than Windows.
Perfect! Can I quote you on that?

Take a peek at Windows source code -
windowssourcecode.jpg
Be my guest. And I understand that the source code for Windows 95 was that bad. There were so many fudges and fixes (apparently, the programmers even commented such things as, "This is where we are idiots") that - and I had experience of this - you could turn on your PC, go get a coffee, come back having done absolutely nothing with the machine except seen the desktop appear, and Windows had crashed with the blue screen of death.

Windows 95 was at war with itself.

Nice GUI thought. The MacOS UI makes me feel ill to this day.
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rosswmcgee wrote:I am a long term linux user, hence long time use of old computers. However the computers with 1.8GB hard drives just do not work as well so I bought
a new computer with no operating sys, and installed Qiana Mate, and love it. Then I bought another computer with windows 8.1 on it. I cannot believe that more people do not use linux. Compared to win 8.1. it is a breeze to run linix mint. I had forgotten that with windows you need virus apps. Tried avg but windows will
not let me use it. Tried to download windows defender, cannot seem to figure out how to do it. Meanwhile internet explorer is bombarding me with out my
request with various other products that I have no use for. The desktop is a poorer example of ubuntu 14.04 lts, To try and get system tools you have to keep moving the mouse to the right edge of the screen and hope they appear. I promised myself I would work with this system and learn it, but truthfully it is
amazing to me that anyone would want to use windows 8.1. Or am iI just so used to linux that I am not being fair??
The symptoms you are experiencing with the inability to install anti-virus and pop-up ads are absolutely classic symptoms of having an infected PC.
The only thing I recommend doing on a PC exhibiting this set of symptoms is to wipe the drive and do a complete fresh install of windows then install your anti-virus of choice. Then before restoring your back ups you have to scan your back-ups for infection.
Or just install MInt and be done with Windows or if you really just have to have Windows run it in VM so it stays safe in a cage.
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edit:double posted, and it seems I can't delete? See below.
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rosswmcgee wrote:Or am iI just so used to linux that I am not being fair??
A little bit.

Windows is a bit of a mess, but its what the customer wanted. As friendly as linux has been able to become, YOU WILL HAVE TO LEARN SOME STUFF TO RUN IT. That's not a bad, thing (hell, its a really good thing lol) but a lot of the boat and trouble in windows is what happens when you do your best to ask ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of not only the user, but the admin as well ( :shock: )
Compared to win 8.1. it is a breeze to run linix mint
Its easiest to run the one you are supoer familiar with tbh. For you that is linux, but there are thousands of posts from failed linux converts on this forum alone that will disagree with you. As far as performance, linux will breeze... but windows is doing more and has more flash. I don't want that, but some do (especially those who know NOTHING of computers)
I had forgotten that with windows you need virus apps. Tried avg but windows will
not let me use it.
For the last decade I ran a windows box with no AV and no issues. Lots of people do, its actually not that hard to not get viruses... If you don't know what your doing, are not great with computers and can't fix them they may be cheap insurance that catches some stuff. As far as you not being able to install something and blaming it on the OS while posting "it wouldn't let me" and no other specifics... Sounds exactly like every failed linux newb complaining that linux software is terrible to install. I don't know what you messed up, but I have done it a ton of times on family computers. Click the EXE. If you have (likely the default) security in place you may need to run as admin. With out any other info it just sounds like user error.
Tried to download windows defender, cannot seem to figure out how to do it
Again, I feel like I am explaining linux to windows user here. Not sure what you couldn't figure out... I only briefly used it. most the time I ran a different firewall, but from what I remember it was mostly passive... So what were you trying to figure out what to do? There isn't really things to do unless your trying to setup a custom config...
Meanwhile internet explorer is bombarding me with out my
request with various other products that I have no use for.
Why the rainbows are you using internet explorer?
This has nothing to do with windows. Yes it sucks, and yes its default. But like any OS or distro, install the one you like and use that.
The desktop is a poorer example of ubuntu 14.04 lts, To try and get system tools you have to keep moving the mouse to the right edge of the screen and hope they appear.
I HATE autohide stuff. Ugg. I think you like HAVE to use that right edge menu too, can't disable and use other ways to get at it. Still not SO bad.Could have done with out it but really that is the least of my worries. My biggest issue with it (other then I don't like my OS to guess if I am making normal movements or triggering something) was it slightly re-organized how you configure your system and required me to google to find stuff even after decades of Windows use. Once I was used to the new layout it was back to being a slight annoyance.
I promised myself I would work with this system and learn it
... Why?
:mrgreen:
OK so much of the world revolves around MS I see value for most people in being familiar with it, because your probably going to have to deal with it.
But for you own system, unless you have a need for it or for specific software that just can't be run in wine... Don't use it. Windows is NOT THAT BAD *ducks*. It is not at all what I want in an OS, and it is not aimed at me. It has its own way of doing things, so if your stuck thinking linux windows will annoy you... Just as those who are stuck thinking windows are annoyed with linux.
Its bloated and hand-holdy, but if you have great specs who cares about bloat? If you know NOTHING of computers its nice to have your hand held... For some people Windows may be better, AND I like tiling window managers.


Besides, if we are going to complain, lets at least bring up the pile of updater daemons running in your MS windows process list and the never ending barrage of notifications to close every unrelated application so one random application can update itself. :lol:

I think its telling that linux users tend to obsessively update, while windows users bang *remind me in 1 more day(s)* like it was the snooze bar. They all have their ups and downs, but the transparency and customization of linux (NOT talking just about compiz effects here) make it much more appealing to those willing to understand it, while the obsessive hand holding and overwhelming standard-ness (windows is supported, and you likely don't have to figure out how to make it work) may really appeal to someone who wants nothing more then a magic ****/youtube box. :wink:
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austin.texas wrote:
Jedinovice »
So Linux does Windows better than Windows.
Perfect! Can I quote you on that?

Take a peek at Windows source code -
windowssourcecode.jpg
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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sure, it does some things better but...

just switched from win8 to Mint on a HP 8710w (NV FX 3600M) for testing since a week (just worked with servers so far) and here I am, 4 reinstalls later. I really like the desktop, it's functions and nearly everything but it's not usable because of hw/sw-issues, not usability. MDM is constantly taking 20% CPU, if not its gnome-keyring-deamon that uses 100% (no pass didn't help). Fan does only work 100% (for very few seconds but espc. that is annoying) or 0%, auto-brightness fails. External USB disks are sometimes detected, sometimes not. Standby dosn't work with any configuration, sometimes it crashes completely, sometimes the login-screen is still shown and mouse movable. Reinstalls where nec. cause Mint doesn't start up anymore after some of those standby-crashes, even recovery doesn't work anymore. Tried most known workarounds but nothing really helps for any of these cases.
No moaning, just explaining why win8 isn't that bad in all cases ;)
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Never tried Windows 8. Got out when support for XP (pro) ran out and now wholly LM Qiana Cinnamon. Two 32 bit machines and one 64 bit laptop. On of the big problems with changing is probably not directly Microsoft’s fault. Well not directly. It is that software vendors do not release their source code so that it can be tweaked for Linux. As a for instance I have a commercial printer that I cannot use (all £3,000s worth of it) I am working on that though but my point is that I shouldn't have to).

In any case, not everything is perfect in the Linux world either. What about professional quality 2D and 3D drawing software? LibreCad? Hmm iffy. 3D. No. Picture editing with GIMP. Everyday users want proper quality and usability. Even when you get your head around it it still falls far short of Photoshop in ease of use.

The biggest bugbear in Linux is without doubt DOCUMENTATION. What there is is mostly for older versions of what ever software you are using. Most of it is written for geeks and does not explain its terminology, sometime quite specialist terminology. And what is really annoying is that it rarely shows what version it is for, or when it was last updated.

Despite all of that, I am staying with Linux. Why? Because I firmly believe that the day of public enlightenment will come. How many of our current clever devices are already written using open source software. Televisions, watches, 'phones, and vending machines to name just a few. Joe public does not know it but open source is all around them. I cannot program or write scripts but I still struggle on trying to get my Mint to do what I want. I wouldn't go back. I honestly like both the ideal and the freedom. But, I am the first to admit that it not easy; certainly not as easy as some like to make it out to be.
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Here is the thing that I found out about Windows 8.1. The speed of that OS is like 480. But Linux Mint on the other had is OVER 9,000! :lol:
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Well I am the only one who found windows 8 DE colourful and funny. I was glad they give up the start menu I was not using it after all.
And these hiding button was pretty cool because you had more place for real stuff.
They have done a great diet on code over Windows 7.
And yes this is still windows you need to restart for every single update, and search manually for software and software update (what a shame...) And with a fresh install you can't queue software/app installation like synaptic does.
And when you need to do a fresh install you still need 30 reboot and 3hours of updates.

Windows 8.1 with the fake start button is worse than windows 8.
And whenever you try to install a app. you have trash coming with like google chrome or monkeybar...

Linux mint is really easier to use !
Linux mint is awesome.
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I like Linux, I like Linux Mint.

But, that last cinnamon-update really messed things up a bit.
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